What commandments?

[ChubbyCherub]

So, which commandments does Jesus say that we must follow?

Is it the original 10 commandments, as set out in the book of Exodus, or is it the commandments Jesus talks about in the New Testament?

 

[fhansen]

Some examples:

“If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

“Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Matt 19:17-19

“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.” John 15:12

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Some examples:

“If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

“Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Matt 19:17-19

“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.” John 15:12

Thank you so much!

The reason I have asked is because I don't know if we are to honor the Sabbath but, also, do you know the definition of 'honor your father and mother'?

There is a specific reason I'm asking but I don't want to overwhelm anyone with that just yet.

Thanks again.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, which commandments does Jesus say that we must follow?

Is it the original 10 commandments, as set out in the book of Exodus, or is it the commandments Jesus talks about in the New Testament?

The only difference in the Ten Commandments is the location of where they went.

2 Cor:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone (the Ten Commandments) but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The only law being talked about is the Ten Commandments. The only change that was talked about what the location- from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart. What the New Covenant is about Heb8:10

The God of Heaven and Earth personally wrote the Ten Commandments and called it His covenant Deut 4:13 His Testimony Exo 31:18 His commandments Exo 20:6 so there is no confusion of what these consists of.

He promises He will not alter the words of His covenant

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Not a jot or tittle

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [a]jot or one [b]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

His word is settled in heaven Psa 119:89 where is also Testimony (commandments) and it will be His standard of Judgement, not mans James 2:11-12 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 15:5 Rev 22:14-15

The Ten Commandments always came in a unit of Ten- the writers didn't have to quote every commandment to know which law was being spoken of. For example, when one of the greatest commandments which is the summary of the Ten is spoken Rom13:9 doesn't mean the other one is deleted if not also quoted. Same with the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all James 2:11

The New Covenant is established which means its what the premise is about on better promises Heb8:6

It still has God's laws His version written in the New Covenant believers heart Heb8:10

Why we see all Ten of the commandments all throughout the NC being kept by Jesus Luke4:16, His faithful followers Luke23:56 and the apostles Acts 13: 41, Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 before and after the Cross and for eternity Isa66:23

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you so much!

The reason I have asked is because I don't know if we are to honor the Sabbath but, also, do you know the definition of 'honor your father and mother'?

There is a specific reason I'm asking but I don't want to overwhelm anyone with that just yet.

Thanks again.

Yes, the Sabbath is part of God's covenant written in the heart. Jesus and the apostles all kept the Sabbath, Jesus said the Sabbath would continue in the New Heaven and New Earth for His saved Isa 66:23 its The holy day of the Lord thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13 and the day Jesus who is God kept faithfully for our example Luke 4:16 John 15:10. Man is the one who changed God's Sabbath which was predicted would happen in Scripture Dan7:25 I believe its a test of our loyalty now. Who are we going to follow- what God said, or what man says. Almost all Sabbath Scripture has a thus saith the Lord. God blessed and sanctified one day from Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3, man cannot sanctify a day, nor can they sanctify themselves Isa 66:17, the Sabbath is a sign of God's sanctification Eze 20:12 and a sign we are God's people Eze 20:20

Here is a great Bible study that goes through each of the Ten Commandments. People don't realize how broad they are. Psa 119:96 It is God's perfect law written by our perfect Father. Psa 19:7 Exo 31:18 There is one specifically on the 5th commandment to honor thy father and mother

Ten Commandments Archives

The Ten Commandments are suffering an identity crisis are they merely antiquated relic of an ancient culture, or do they still have meaning, purpose, and application for people living today? Pastor Doug Batchelor explores the amazing riches that can be mined from each and every commandment...

www.amazingfacts.org

The one on honor thy father.

Honor Within the Family

The fifth commandment is about honoring, respecting, and caring for parents. It is the first commandment with promise.

www.amazingfacts.org

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Yes, the Sabbath is part of God's covenant written in the heart. Jesus and the apostles all kept the Sabbath, Jesus said the Sabbath would continue in the New Heaven and New Earth for His saved Isa 66:23 its The holy day of the Lord thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13 and the day Jesus who is God kept faithfully for our example Luke 4:16 John 15:10. Man is the one who changed God's Sabbath which was predicted would happen in Scripture Dan7:25 I believe its a test of our loyalty now. Who are we going to follow- what God said, or what man says. Almost all Sabbath Scripture has a thus saith the Lord. God blessed and sanctified one day from Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3, man cannot sanctify a day, nor can they sanctify themselves Isa 66:17, the Sabbath is a sign of God's sanctification Eze 20:12 and a sign we are God's people Eze 20:20

Here is a great Bible study that goes through each of the Ten Commandments. People don't realize how broad they are. It is God's perfect law written by our perfect Father. There is one specifically on the 5th commandment to honor thy father and mother

Ten Commandments Archives

The Ten Commandments are suffering an identity crisis are they merely antiquated relic of an ancient culture, or do they still have meaning, purpose, and application for people living today? Pastor Doug Batchelor explores the amazing riches that can be mined from each and every commandment...

www.amazingfacts.org

The one on honor thy father.

Honor Within the Family

The fifth commandment is about honoring, respecting, and caring for parents. It is the first commandment with promise.

www.amazingfacts.org

Thanks so much for this!

Do we have any guidance on how to honor the Sabbath?

I am Protestant and I have no idea about the Sabbath. I was taught it was not relevant, anymore. I'm sure many are taught this. I wouldn't even know where to begin or how to do this in modern life.

I feel quite lost on this point.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thanks so much for this!

Do we have any guidance on how to honor the Sabbath?

I am Protestant and I have no idea about the Sabbath. I was taught it was not relevant, anymore. I'm sure many are taught this. I wouldn't even know where to begin or how to do this in modern life.

I feel quite lost on this point.

I understand. We are told the devil deceives the whole world, and its hard to get through all the weeds when the majority of people are teaching not what the Bible says about God's Sabbath.

I believe the Bible gives us clear instructions on how to keep the Sabbath. The purpose of the Sabbath is to be a delight and joyful time. God just wants to spend time with His children on the day He set aside to do so from Creation Exo20:11 so we can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctity us Eze20:12. How can setting aside one full day dedicated to God, not be joyful and blissful. I recently came to the Sabbath about 5 years ago, and it changed my life for the better.

I'll go through the Bible and the principles of keeping God's Sabbath today.

The 4th commandment is not just the commandment for the Sabbath, its the commandment for all days.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God worked 6 days and rested on the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 God does not need rest, this was the pattern God gave us from Creation, before sin as man is made in the likeness and image of God to follow Him and His example.

So we are to set aside the seventh day, to keep it holy. We are to cease from our works to keep it holy so we can....keep our focus on God. God wants us to have both physical rest from our works and spiritual rest in Him on the Sabbath- His holy day.

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,


The Sabbath is also a holy convocation- meaning a holy gathering or church God does not want us on an island, but to gather with other Christians to worship Him on His Sabbath

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

And we see this in the life of Jesus

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. (Gods Word Luke4:17)


And we see this in the life of the apostles decades after the Cross with both Jews and Gentiles

Acts 13:But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The holy convocation of God's Sabbath continues in the new heaven and new earth but in heaven the saint will be physically coming before the Lord to worship Him on the Sabbath.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The point of the Sabbath is to rest from our physical works, resting in Christ spiritually by spending time with him in His word, prayer, fellowship with other people and helping others in needs as Jesus example.

God promises it to be a blessing and it has for me.

Isa 56:Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

The Sabbath is how we join ourselves to Christ and serve Him

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thanks so much for this!

Do we have any guidance on how to honor the Sabbath?

I am Protestant and I have no idea about the Sabbath. I was taught it was not relevant, anymore. I'm sure many are taught this. I wouldn't even know where to begin or how to do this in modern life.

I feel quite lost on this point.

Heres a video all about the 4th commandment

A Day to Remember

The fourth commandment is about the Sabbath. Keeping the seventh day of the week as a Sabbath was instituted at Creation to be observed as a memorial of the Creator’s work. The fourth commandment is the only one that begins with “Remember” and i...

www.amazingfacts.org

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Another short video of how to keep the Sabbath- its 5 minutes

 

[fhansen]

Thank you so much!

The reason I have asked is because I don't know if we are to honor the Sabbath but, also, do you know the definition of 'honor your father and mother'?

There is a specific reason I'm asking but I don't want to overwhelm anyone with that just yet.

Thanks again.

All of the most ancient churches, as part of the revelation received and practiced from the beginning, continued to uphold the necessity of obeying the Ten Commandments. At the same time, they experienced a new freedom, the freedom to observe the law in a new way, by the Spirit, according to the teachings which were passed down to them and not necessarily according to the previous Judaistic understanding. The following church teachings, admittedly Catholic, reflect this age-old understanding that are also consistent with the practice and beliefs of the non-Catholic ancient churches as well, and which virtually all Protestants continued to abide by:

II. THE LORD'S DAY

This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.103

The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead. St Justin

Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death. St Ignatius of Antioch

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

And FWIW, as to honoring our father and mother the following teachings, elaborating upon that commandment, have been helpful to me: Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 4

 

[SabbathBlessings]

One will not find the Lords Day as Sunday in Scripture. This is a man-made teaching that sadly competes with what God said is His holy day, the holy day, meaning there is only one. Who knows better God or man? The Lords Day is the Sabbath according to God. This is a thus saith the Lord. He promised not to alter His covenant Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18


Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

He did warn us though that His times and laws would be changed Dan 7:25. The Sabbath is both a time (Every seventh day Exo20:10) and law (4th commandant Exo 20:8-11 Exo 20:6) and there is a clear history of it being changed, not by God, but from outside Scripture which we are warned about Isa 8:20. I believe the Sabbath is a test of our loyalty because whoever we obey is who we serve. Rom6:16 Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13. If one wishes to serve Rome, keep Sunday they say obeying Sunday is a mark of their authority over the Bible and when keeping is a commandment of the Catholic church.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. - Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

We will all need to choose who we obey.

Jos 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of [a]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

 

[Maria Billingsley]

So, which commandments does Jesus say that we must follow?

Is it the original 10 commandments, as set out in the book of Exodus, or is it the commandments Jesus talks about in the New Testament?

When asked which was the greatest commandment in the Law, Jesus named and emphasized two commandments that are part of the broader 613 Mitzvot, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind (Deuteronomy 6:5), and to love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). He stated that all the Law and the Prophets hang on these two. So we cannot randomly select which laws until one has been regenerated through His Holy Spirit. This can only take place through love. Only then can we clearly understand His law and do His the will .

 

[fhansen]

Well, ChubbyCherub, you’ve probably inadvertently opened up a little can of worms here regarding the Sabbath. The arguments on this matter rage on now due mainly to a relatively recent denomination determining that the way Christians, while upholding the necessity of the commandments, have always understood things to be, are wrong.

But I’ll say that the idea that The Lord’s Day is not Sunday is, itself, a non-historical viewpoint not shared by the earliest of Christians, a viewpoint fabricated by man in order to support a particular theological position.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What commandments were just repeated when Deut 6:5 was stated that Jesus was referring to. Same that summarize the second greatest commandment to love thy neighbor Rom13:9 there nothing random about God's Testimony that the whole Bible hangs on. How to love God, how to love thy neighbor.

Love is keeping the commandments of God 1John5:3 and His law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7

How this got so twisted around is sad, but its something we were warned.

2 Tim 3:4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Well, ChubbyCherub, you’ve probably inadvertently opened up a little can of worms here regarding the Sabbath. The arguments on this matter rage on now due mainly to a relatively recent denomination determining that the way Christians, while upholding the necessity of the commandments, have always understood things to be, are wrong.

But I’ll say that the idea that The Lord’s Day is not Sunday is, itself, a non-historical viewpoint not shared by the earliest of Christians, a viewpoint fabricated by man in order to support a particular theological position.

Goodness!

I seek only understanding but I think this discussion highlights the discord amongst the Bible, how we're taught and why we're taught in certain ways.

Prayer, I believe, will assist me on this journey?

I feel lost, confused and overwhelmed, to be honest!

Until recently, I never even considered the Sabbath apart from going to church?

I really don't know much about it beyond I was taught it was redundant as is most of the Old Testament.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Goodness!

I seek only understanding but I think this discussion highlights the discord amongst the Bible, how we're taught and why we're taught in certain ways.

Prayer, I believe, will assist me on this journey?

I feel lost, confused and overwhelmed, to be honest!

Until recently, I never even considered the Sabbath apart from going to church?

I really don't know much about it beyond I was taught it was redundant as is most of the Old Testament.

Just keep in mind, there was never one argument on when the Sabbath was in the Bible- God made that so clear in His written Testimony Exo20:10- kept by Jesus, His disciples and apostles. The only argument was how to keep the Sabbath, sadly many were adding their words to God's commandments what we are told not to Deut4:2 Mat5:18 which Jesus had to constantly correct. I do not think much has changed. There is no Lords day is day one in the entire Bible- God said all other days were working days Exo20:6 except the Sabbath Exo 20:8-11 and claimed in His own words as My holy day Isa58:13. We were told what would happen after the Bible Acts 20:29

Keep praying and reading the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in His Truth. Don't listen to the noise, just the small voice of the Holy Spirit.

God bless.

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Just keep in mind, there was never one argument on when the Sabbath was in the Bible- God made that so clear in His written Testimony Exo20:10- kept by Jesus, His disciples and apostles. The only argument was how to keep the Sabbath, sadly many were adding their words to God's commandments what we are told not to Deut4:2 Mat5:18 which Jesus had to constantly correct. I do not think much has changed. There is no Lords day is day one in the entire Bible- God said all other days were working days Exo20:6 except the Sabbath Exo 20:8-11 and claimed in His own words as My holy day Isa58:13. We were told what would happen after the Bible Acts 20:29

Keep praying and reading the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in His Truth. Don't listen to the noise, just the small voice of the Holy Spirit.

God bless.

Thanks so much!

In addition to this, though, there is no mention of Saturday or Sunday or any days in the bible. How do we know what is the 1st, 2nd or 3rd days? How do I know the 7th day isn't Tuesday? I have no idea!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thanks so much!

In addition to this, though, there is no mention of Saturday or Sunday or any days in the bible. How do we know what is the 1st, 2nd or 3rd days? How do I know the 7th day isn't Tuesday? I have no idea!

God set up the weekly pattern right from Creation. Work six days, rest the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3. Its the same pattern God gave to man Exo 20:8-11 as we were made in His image and likeness Gen1:26

Regardless of what man has done to the calendar this weekly cycle has never changed.

God only named and numbered one day in Scripture, the Sabbath- the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:10 My holy day Isa 58:13 All other days God just numbered.

Maybe this will help regarding how we know the seventh day is still the Sabbath. Plus almost all ancient languages Saturday literally translates into the Sabbath

https://manna.amazingfacts.org/amazingfacts/website/sabbathtruth/documents/chart-of-the-week.pdf

 

[fhansen]

Goodness!

I seek only understanding but I think this discussion highlights the discord amongst the Bible, how we're taught and why we're taught in certain ways.

Prayer, I believe, will assist me on this journey?

I feel lost, confused and overwhelmed, to be honest!

Until recently, I never even considered the Sabbath apart from going to church?

I really don't know much about it beyond I was taught it was redundant as is most of the Old Testament.

If you keep foremost in mind what's been said here about the greatest commandments, which all the churches have held to the highest level, understanding that they are the summit of the Christian faith, that which you were made for and that which summarizes and fuilfills the rest of the commandments by their nature, then you'll have the goal, and the surest, most basic guide for navigating through the rest of God's revelation.

For us to be shown and to be perfected in that love, and away from the sin that opposes it and leads us to death, is the reason Jesus came. And that's why we must believe in Him. We don't even need to hear the other commandments in order to fulfill them (ref Rom 2:13) to the extent that we truly love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and our neighbor as ourselves. God, who is love, intends to draw you into that very love, for your highest good. Jesus is the Way, to Him.

 

[Clare73]

So, which commandments does Jesus say that we must follow?

Is it the original 10 commandments, as set out in the book of Exodus, or is it the commandments Jesus talks about in the New Testament?

False dichotomy. . .

The NT is quite clear in Ro 13:8-10, Gal 3:5 regarding which commandments we are tofollow.