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That is the beauty of difficult situations... the thing is.... even if you remarry, you'll find there is so much more to learn. We grow from glory to glory in life.

I think that marriage is a sharpening tool... you sink or swim... or maybe just connect in perfect harmony. It really puts us face to face with our selfishness and insecurities, our personal flaws... our unrealistic expectations or dissapointed expectations anyways. I went into marriage at the age of 20 thinking that it would make me happy... and expected my husband to be my prince charming who was always understanding... who was secure enough in himself to not be offended by my "flaws" and who would see past them in love to the true need and also desire and know how to meet that need. I thought it would be all about me.
 
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That is the beauty of difficult situations... the thing is.... even if you remarry, you'll find there is so much more to learn. We grow from glory to glory in life.

I think that marriage is a sharpening tool... you sink or swim... or maybe just connect in perfect harmony. It really puts us face to face with our selfishness and insecurities, our personal flaws... our unrealistic expectations or dissapointed expectations anyways. I went into marriage at the age of 20 thinking that it would make me happy... and expected my husband to be my prince charming who was always understanding... who was secure enough in himself to not be offended by my "flaws" and who would see past them in love to the true need and also desire and know how to meet that need. I thought it would be all about me.

I agree, but we have to be careful on where we place the thought unrealistic expectation. It is realistic to love yourself unconditionally, it is realistic to give what you want to give without expecting anything in return, and it is realistic to know that you must be willing to put yourself first before you can give to anyone else.

There is no such thing as flaws. the absurdity of people walking around in life believing they are flawed and God help the generous soul who decides to love them with all their flaws is one of the biggest problems we run into.

No one is flawed...

I may like to belch after dinner and scratch my behind as I walk to the bathroom to drop the kids off at the pool. Obnoxious? maybe... but flawed? That behavior would be disgusting in many homes and not tolerated, but not every home. Is it a flaw to be quirky, sensative, girly, tom-boy, angry... No, not a flaw, a flaw states that there is an imperfection and that is impossible.

First of all it's impossible for us to be imperfect, well that's my opinion. I believe God is perfect and everything that God creates is perfect, thus we can't help but be perfect. Many of us forget that and walk around criticising ourselves for our imperfection... Then we criticize others, especially when we want them to make us feel good about ourselves.

You're absolutely right, too many people go into a relationship with the need of someone telling them they are wonderful, great, beautiful, perfect, loved, whatever... only because they don't believe it in themselves, so they need someone to tell them, sometimes they'll ask for it over and over.

"you're so beautiful."
"No I'm not." Dramatically
"Yes... Yes you are, I think you are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen."
"You don't mean that."
"Really, you are..."

They could go on for ever...

The problem is that both sides put the burden of this obligation on the other party.

"Why don't you call me beautiful anymore?"
"Because you know how I feel."

The truth is "Because I got tired of trying to prove to you that you're beautiful and basically arguing with you every time I give you a compliment. Not to mention that I feel like you don't spend enough time showing me how beautiful I am. So, it's not fair if I do it and you don't."

This is just one of the many possible stresses people have in relationship.

One person feeling unwanted, the other feeling overwhelmed... I don't know, just seems silly to me.

People fall in love and then they decide their going to get bored with the relationship... Then they argue or decide to do stupid things to hurt one another. Then they get out of the relationship or they stay based on what everyone else thinks is good for them, usually these are the same ones that get into a relationship because it's what everyone thinks is good for them...

How about this...

You fall in love, you know with out a shadow of doubt that you love this person because they could walk out on you right now and you would still love them. That is called unconditional love, they can do anything and you will love them and not expect anything from them.

Now, if you come from a place of lack of love within yourself you may say "Yeah but, that would hurt and I would be angry."

I don't think so and I speak from my own experience. When you love yourself so much that nothing can hurt you, then you know you can truly love unconditionally. You would not commit to a relationship that did not serve you in the way you love yourself. You would not settle, and your heart would be pouring with love. At that point you would know that if someone was willing to leave you, They have the right to choose what their fate is. God gave us free will but we spend most of it trying to control someone else and allowing others to control us.

well, this is a really deep subject and way beyond the scope of this thread.
 
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God loves us unconditionally, but it doesn't mean he'll get his needs met. Well, he doesn't have needs..... so he can do that. But truth is we as people can't really do that in a marriage.... well, they can, but a very low percentage can do that. Unconditional love is important to have in a marriage... or I should say an unselfish love... having the ability to forgive a "flaw" or a hurtful selfish thing coming from someone else because we have "them" in mind rather then ourselves... and we know it's not about us at that moment although it's directed at us. And even though that has it's place in marriage... I think it's really for ministry....

Because when we give unconditionally to others, it's for them, it's ministry related in one way or another... it's our God given ministry to them, for their benefit. But that doesn't work in marriage. God also created us with needs to be met by someone else. He created Eve so Adam wouldn't be alone.... and if his whole relationship with her was based on only meeting her needs without him asking of anything for himself, then that is not a marriage, that is a ministry relationship... where we give to others without expecting anything in return.

In marriage we have to have some expectations.... we have to have some needs to be met by them. Given in order to have a successful relationship it helps to be whole within ourselves without having to "depend on" that person's giving to us to make us happy, but rather that is where love is breeded, from not only giving, but also receiving.....

If someone were to go into a marriage with only intending on meeting that person's needs and not having any expectations of their own... they would get drained.

I had an old best friend that I learned this lesson with. I had always been an easy going understanding person that didn't take personal offense but always strove to see things from a ministry point of view.... understanding that person point of view... not expecting much from them.... and that person was drawn to that in me.... she used me as her counselor... she took and took and took and was inconsiderate and selfish with me..... and one day I needed a friend.... I reached out to her in need and she turned her back on me... resentment started in me. Was I wrong for expecting her to care about me? No.... but something I learned is that we have to be realistic about our needs and not be so enabling with our friends or spouses. I wasn't doing her any favors by just accepting her, giving to her and not expecting anything. When I started to expect something and voiced these expectations... she dubbed me as selfish and our "friendship" eventually ended.... it was no longer a bed of roses for her, there was suddenly accountability for how she acted and how she treated me.... she couldn't just use me as her sounding bored anymore without an expectation that she'd be there for me as well..... and well, she just didn't want to have any expectations put on her. We could've continued to interact... she could've been my "ministry" that she could call me and I'd just be her counselor, listen to her, share my wisdom... and that be it... .that I'd just be there for her when she needed me..... but that was not ok with me. I wanted and needed a friend... someone who would be there for me as well.

My point is... there's a difference between ministry relationships... those relationships in which we minister to another person's needs without expecting anything in return..... and friendships/marriage relationships. A "friend" is someone who is there for me and meets some of my needs and vise versa.... a spouse is someone who I can expect to care when I have a need and to love me.. and vise versa.... a ministry project is someone who needs something I can give and I give it simply to help them. You can't have a friendship/marriage with that kind of person.... there'd have to be give and take.... that's just the bottom line. I try not to put myself out there as a "minister" anymore... unless it's with someone who I am reaching out in ministry to.

Off the topic??? What was the topic again???:scratch:
 
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The changes in me and my marrage are huge. When I first got married I loved my wife but I was in it for me. What could she do for me. The first 6 years were rough for her. I did drugs, was very hard, and not open.

I had been married before and my first wife of 14 years had commited suicide. The marriage had been broken by the lose of our 2 year old son. It never recovered. Because of this I was scared to be too open again. The other part of the situation was I had no knowledge of God.

My second wife (present) was a born again Baptist. This was not a subject open for disscusion. Not interested.

Six years later at the age of 40 she tricked me into going to church, once. The Holy Spirit kept me going back. Got saved!!

Our marriage and my faith was tested real fast. One year after being saved my wife had an affair. It was not sexual but passionate. Same thing to me. The Lord spoke to me and reminded me that He had forgiven me. End of that era, not our marriage.

Five years later our marriage and her faith was tested when porn entered our lives on my pc. She approached me and we went to speak with the pastor. End of another era.

Now, after 14 years our marriage is very strong. Our love is real and tested. What holds us togeather is our commitment to God and our strong hold onto forgiveness.

There are 2 differances in the marriages. The Lord's and MY ability to forgive.
 
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dam DonaldOrwinRenKern, your knowledge and insight is amazing.. i can fully agree about all the research you did into human behaviour. i must say that i agree with everything you have written todate..

time for me to be honest here..i have lost my self worth, my self esteem has gone out the window.. it may return one day but who knows.. i am depressed a lot of the time, but must keep it within..am i happy and content? no not really, content some of teh times.. but generally depressed, i have given up on a great deal of things.. removed stuff from my life that used to identify me.. changed because it was expected, demanded in somecase and requested of me..

who am i?

to be honest i have no idea, i look in the mirror and i see someone, but its scares me for i dont know who that person is.. i feel like a mistake, even tho i know intelectually God doesnt make mistakes, i feel like a mistake. and wonder about a great many things.. i have given up on my hopes, ambitions and dreams, for i see no reason to have them they will all fail..i try my best but it turns out wrong, it is a failure..so in a sense i guess i feel i am a failure..sigh..

sorry if i depressed anyone.. there i go again another booboo...
 
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