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Understood. My point was, when I say I trust science, I am not saying that I have trust in the authority of people with a degree in science. I trust the process of science.I know, but science is nothing without humans to make it what it is, agreed?
You are comparing apples and oranges. People can do things the laws of quantum mechanics can't, but the laws of quantum mechanics can do things people can't. This really is a silly question.So this force that formed the universe and humans and science is greater than science and humans and the universe. Agreed?
My experience is that we learn more about nature by applying the principles of science than by listening for the force behind the universe.Science is a process that humans have formed, but it's not what formed the universe or humans. Since this is true we can know that the true answer about origins will not come from the human made process of science, but rather, the true answers will come from the force that formed the universe and humans and science.
Do you have any reliable way of knowing what the force behind the universe is telling you about creation?
Science reveals truths. If it didn't, we wouldn't be able to communicate here via computers.how can you know it's true if there isn't a truth revealer about everything you're learning?
They do have true belief because they've accepted a conveyed truth, but what matters is if what they believe is actually true or not and the only way to figure that out is to test their beliefs against other conveyed truths to see if it holds up and if it doesn't hold up then they can either admit error and accept the actual truth or continue in the delusion. The point is that there has to be an objective truth that can inform us of our delusions and either free us from the delusion if we accept it or keep us in the delusion if we don't accept it.
Muslims believe God created/formed heaven and earth, which is true, where they get confused is that they think God doesn't mind if they keep sinning because they think He loves to forgive them and that he always wants to be forgiving people forever and ever. This isn't true
Ah, we should test the claims that Muslims hear from their "revealer" to see if they are true.
I say we should do the same thing with the claims you get from your "revealer".
And science is the best way I know to test truth claims.
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