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You pointed to me threads, which is not something to the point.

If so, then what the formless and void are about? Is there a gap between the "... Heaven and earth" and "The earth is ..."? What happened during the gap? An answer of (partial) short list will be perfect.

I do not have the energy or inclination to teach you about the Gap Theory. From your comments, I do not believe you are teachable on this subject ... but that's just my opinion.
 
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I do not have the energy or inclination to teach you about the Gap Theory. From your comments, I do not believe you are teachable on this subject ... but that's just my opinion.

If you do not deal with the problems (of the Gap theory), you are cheating yourself. This will certainly have consequence to your reward in the Heaven.
 
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I do not have the energy or inclination to teach you about the Gap Theory. From your comments, I do not believe you are teachable on this subject ... but that's just my opinion.

That's probably a good idea. While OEC, YEC, gap, day-age, and other kinds of creationists are common, Juvi is the only Time Warp creationist I know of. Juvi believes that time alteration explain Genesis, that we can't understand time, and that Noah existed back in the Cambrian with trilobites.

But hey, he still apparently feels comfortable questioning how your Gap approach can make sense. Go Figure.

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If you are a TE, what convinced you to be one? Did you always see evolution as factual, and therefore the Bible needed to reflect that? Or did you see a non-literal interpretation of Genesis first, and therefore evolution may be true?

Originally I didn't really think about it that much. I feel like I was guilty of doublethink and that I kind of half heartedly believed in evolution and a literal Genesis. Then I decided to look into it. I started off believing in a literal Genesis, feeling like evolution had no basis as far as I was concerned.

I then decided to try and understand what most other people believed. I decided to be intellectually honest and to read arguments from all different angles, YE, OE, TE, etc. Eventually I moved towards a OE/ID type view and then ended up as a TE. Why? Well it's quite simple, none of the arguments held by YE/OE/ID proponents help up under scrutiny.
 
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Honestly Juv that is just ridiculous.

It is a reasonable model. You can not prove that it is wrong. The idea of 5th dimension is much more fascinating and my model. Are you sure you can deny the existence of the 5th dimension?
 
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I started out a YEC, but after learning how science worked and carefully studying the evidence for evolution and the various kinds of creationisms, became a TE.

You are not careful enough. I bet you.
If you do not work in science, you will never be careful enough.
 
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Faith.Man wrote:


That's probably a good idea. While OEC, YEC, gap, day-age, and other kinds of creationists are common, Juvi is the only Time Warp creationist I know of. Juvi believes that time alteration explain Genesis, that we can't understand time, and that Noah existed back in the Cambrian with trilobites.

But hey, he still apparently feels comfortable questioning how your Gap approach can make sense. Go Figure.

Papias

What do you know about the Gap theory? May be you can fill the gap for Faith.Man. I promise I won't argue with you on what you can say.
 
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Faith.Man wrote:


That's probably a good idea. While OEC, YEC, gap, day-age, and other kinds of creationists are common, Juvi is the only Time Warp creationist I know of. Juvi believes that time alteration explain Genesis, that we can't understand time, and that Noah existed back in the Cambrian with trilobites.

But hey, he still apparently feels comfortable questioning how your Gap approach can make sense. Go Figure.

Papias

Thanks for the information. I had no idea.

God bless.
 
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It is a reasonable model. You can not prove that it is wrong. The idea of 5th dimension is much more fascinating and my model. Are you sure you can deny the existence of the 5th dimension?

Aren't there 11 dimensions according to m-theory?
 
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It is a reasonable model. You can not prove that it is wrong. The idea of 5th dimension is much more fascinating and my model. Are you sure you can deny the existence of the 5th dimension?

If your model cannot be proven wrong, then it is unfalsifiable. Unfalsifiable models tend to be unscientific. And a little silly.
 
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Good thing I work in science, then. Best way to find out how science works is to do it firsthand, snookums.

Exactly. But you can never experience evolution in firsthand. That should make you think about it one more time.
 
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If your model cannot be proven wrong, then it is unfalsifiable. Unfalsifiable models tend to be unscientific. And a little silly.

Science is a low-level understanding. We are talking about the understanding which is one level higher than science.
 
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It is a reasonable model. You can not prove that it is wrong. The idea of 5th dimension is much more fascinating and my model. Are you sure you can deny the existence of the 5th dimension?
I wasn't commenting on your latest bizarre idea but your condemning a fellow creationist for having his own view on Genesis.
 
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Exactly. But you can never experience evolution in firsthand. That should make you think about it one more time.

All that hanging around the CREVO forum and you still haven't learned that science doesn't need to experience something firsthand in order to study it -- the evidence a phenomenon leaves behind can be sufficient.

Science is a low-level understanding. We are talking about the understanding which is one level higher than science.

I'm not sure what is more amusing in this post -- the pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo, or the use of the royal "we."
 
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What is obvious to me from Genesis 1 is that our understanding is not the same as God's understanding and his measurements are not necessarily the same as ours all the time.

In verse 5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Then in verse 14, 3 'days' later

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years ...

 
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