What are your views on Christian Metalcore?

[dg11]

Bands like The Devil Wears Prada, August Burns Red, Inhale Exhale, Norma Jean and so on. What are your opinions on them. My parents heard me listening to them the other day and flipped out saying that i was listening to satans music and stuff.

 

[portonion]

Bands like The Devil Wears Prada, August Burns Red, Inhale Exhale, Norma Jean and so on. What are your opinions on them. My parents heard me listening to them the other day and flipped out saying that i was listening to satans music and stuff.

I love Christian Metalcore, especially Norma Jean and the Chariot.

If you let your parents read the lyrics to these bands they'll surely see that the content is nothing but Christian.

The Chariot are named after the story of Elijah and the chariot of fire.

 

[LeightonH]

I don't really know these bands but, as portonion said, you should show the lyrics to your parents and if possible, do a little research into them and show your parents their testimony.
You might be able to change their minds, but just remember that it's important to respect their judgment even if you disagree with them. If you argue out of anger and rebel over it, you're only going to prove them right.

 

[yahwehsninja]

also Youtube interviews with some christian metalcore bands. Underoath is a good one because you can find lots of interviews with them. They are also tied in with The Almost which might as well be a worship band (more or less)

 

[Rimmy]

I don't like it simply because when I listen to it, it puts me in a depressed, darkish mood rather than an uplifted one.

Too violent sounding to be really "Godly", imo. Meh.

 

[nahtino]

Ive changed my mind totaly regarding a number of Christian music genres ... Simply becuase of the fact that certain genres and music artists do not reflect the person and Godly nature of King Jesus ...

can you imagine in heaven his people jamming to hard rock with all its dark themes .. regardless of lyrics ..which are minimal anyway ..

Music has to reflect Jesus christ at his highest level and not drag the Lord down to our level of reasoning and seeing him.

There is nothing angry, dark, sorrowfull, depressing, agressive, loud, confused , lost ... about Jesus neither the fruits of his Holy Spirit ..

A lot of these artists if you realy look at them, and follow them ... do not begin to show the true nature of God. God is NOT Gothic .. He's not Grunge like and all that ..

Thats another spirit ...

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

I used to be in a Christian metal-core band and then a Christian black metal band. So obviously it doesn't bother me. A lot of the people in the christian black metal scene were really devoted to their faith. They had to be. After all, they were playing concerts with bands whose whole purpose was to wage literal war with christianity. I mean actual fighting, not spiritual warfare. We got death threats all the time, and I'm not talking about internet death threats. The band I used to be in is still out there doing their thing.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

He's not Grunge like and all that ..

Thats another spirit ...

What's more grunge than leprosy? Jesus was always with the fringes and outcasts of society. I don't think he would be in church wearing a 3-piece suit singing "Lord I lift your name on high". I don't think he'd be seen in the American churches at all. He'd be on the streets hanging out with the punks, goths, homeless people, gypsies, and skin heads, the untouchables of our society.

 

[Martyr17]

I recently turned to christian metal, there is nothing wrong with it at all, if you want to show your parents a band that will help clear their mind show them demon hunter

 

[overfiend1976]

What's more grunge than leprosy? Jesus was always with the fringes and outcasts of society. I don't think he would be in church wearing a 3-piece suit singing "Lord I life your name on high". I don't think he'd be seen in the American churches at all. He'd be on the streets hanging out with the punks, goths, homeless people, gypsies, and skin heads, the untouchables of our society.

Well, of course.

 

[theb4ssm4ncometh]

What's more grunge than leprosy? Jesus was always with the fringes and outcasts of society. I don't think he would be in church wearing a 3-piece suit singing "Lord I lift your name on high". I don't think he'd be seen in the American churches at all. He'd be on the streets hanging out with the punks, goths, homeless people, gypsies, and skin heads, the untouchables of our society.

THANK YOU!! ^^^

BLood saved all of us, God forbid (no pun intended) we sing about it.
"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' matt 25:40

 

[nahtino]

What's more grunge than leprosy? Jesus was always with the fringes and outcasts of society. I don't think he would be in church wearing a 3-piece suit singing "Lord I lift your name on high". I don't think he'd be seen in the American churches at all. He'd be on the streets hanging out with the punks, goths, homeless people, gypsies, and skin heads, the untouchables of our society.

Yeah, this is the arguement that is used a lot ..Sounds very slick, but you need to have understanding ...

We must understand, that JESUS is not whatever we want him to be/whoever we are comfortable with dealing with ...

I like the way you state, how Jesus would be with OUTCASTS andthose on the edge of societys ..

thus forth you are juxtaposing PROSTITUTES, PIMPS, DRUGGIES, GANGSTERS, DRUNKARDS ETC ...with what we have today and the PUNK, HArd metal, grundge scene ..

1. you mention it is socialy OUTCAST behavior

Then indee the question begs, why must Christians of the most high and holy, assimilate and act with OUTCAST BEHVAIOUR...?

2. Did they come to Jesus to get HEALED, and did Jesus Heal them and teach them/ disciple them onto the CORRECT PATH of the FATHER ultimatly?
OR
Did Jesus hang with them, and assimalate their practices unto himself ..
(Did Jesus promote Prostitution?)

What does this all mean..?

Never the less ... OUTCAST BEHAVIOUR of Occult inspired/derived music and inspirations can never be of GOD ...

I seriously do not see Jesus getting a tattoo, moshing in some dark club, having studs and piercings and smoking / drinking alchohol ..

Thats NO WAY of worshipping the Lord ...

I recently turned to christian metal, there is nothing wrong with it at all, if you want to show your parents a band that will help clear their mind show them demon hunter

Its not just lyrics ... Its image, behavior, tempo, sounds, ethics, inspiration, discipleship ...

Anyone can say Jesus and claim christianity, but if their fruits are of a diffrent type to what they claim, then for get it ... its not of GOD...

Believe me plenty christian artists are not what/who they claim to be ...

 

[nahtino]

There are more than enough TOP CHRISTIAN Bands and groups out there that sing the right thing ...ut show something else .. Infact Occult symbolism even on their album covers, lyrics and clothing ..

Just becuase it says Jesus doesnt mean anything unless it is GODLY originated ...

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

thus forth you are juxtaposing PROSTITUTES, PIMPS, DRUGGIES, GANGSTERS, DRUNKARDS ETC ...with what we have today and the PUNK, HArd metal, grundge scene ..

I dont think I said prostitutes, pimps, druggies, and gangsters. I said punks, goths, homeless people, gypsies, skin heads, and untouchables. There's a big difference. The things you listed are sins. But it's not a sin to be a gypsy, or homeless etc. (by 'skin head' I meant the original working class punks in england, not the white supremacist kind.) Of course Jesus would tell pimps to stop pimping. But would he tell a homeless person to straighten up and get himself a house?

1. you mention it is socialy OUTCAST behavior

Then indee the question begs, why must Christians of the most high and holy, assimilate and act with OUTCAST BEHVAIOUR...?

Because that's what Christ did? Remember, I didn't list sins like you did, I just listed people who are not popular and/or poor. Jesus was not popular and very poor. In fact he instructed his followers to also be poor; to give all they have to the poor and follow him. That is outcast behavior.

Never the less ... OUTCAST BEHAVIOUR of Occult inspired/derived music and inspirations can never be of GOD ...

How can a particular sound be occult inspired? Isn't more about the lyrics and intent of the writers?

Here's some soft traditional music from turkey....that is specifically written as praise for Melek Taus who the Yezidis worship but the Muslims consider to be satan.
YouTube - Lapis Niger - At The Throne Of Melek Taus Part I


By contrast, here is an old school hardcore song written by Christians. And let me tell you, as a recently "de-converted" ex-Christian, this song moves me nearly to tears and makes me remember what it was like to believe and trust God like no worship song ever could, even when I was a believer. The lyrics are posted in the video. Read them and tell me the song isn't powerful.

YouTube - StrongArm - Council of Perfection

I seriously do not see Jesus getting a tattoo, moshing in some dark club, having studs and piercings and smoking / drinking alchohol ..

When I was a metalhead, I did none of those things. At concerts I was either up on stage playing the guitar, or standing in the back enjoying the music. You don't need to get a tattoo, smoke, drink, or mosh to enjoy metal. In fact in the metal scene here where I live, it was considered pretty lame to try to start a mosh pit even in the secular scene. Everyone wanted to enjoy the music without getting kicked in the face. And if you started flailing your arms, you would be...stopped.

Its not just lyrics ... Its image,

Ok I can see that.

behavior,

Definitely agree.

tempo,

What's wrong with the tempo?! If that's a problem, here's a nice slow song from Extol. And to top it off, it's even a Hymn. It means "Jesus cam to earth to die"
YouTube - Extol - Jesus Kom Til Jorden For Å Dø

sounds,

That's quite subjective. I find that song above to be absolutely beautiful.

ethics,

This applies to people in general and has nothing to do with the music they play.

inspiration, discipleship ...

Agreed. That's why Christians shouldn't listen to metal bands that follow or take inspiration from anti-christian things. But that has nothing to do with the music.

Anyone can say Jesus and claim christianity, but if their fruits are of a different type to what they claim, then for get it ... its not of GOD...

Believe me plenty christian artists are not what/who they claim to be ...

How do you know their fruits if you don't know them? Am I going to believe you, someone who is judging without understanding and without even getting to know the people you judge, or am I going to believe the Christian metal musicians, many of whom I met and shared a stage with during my time in a Christian metal band? I met some well known bands and keep in touch with a few of them. And even though I'm not a believer anymore, those bands are still shining examples of what I think it means to be a Christian. They go into hostile and uncomfortable environments instead of spending all of their time in a comfortable pew. And when they go into those hostile environments, do they come bearing picket signs and bullhorns? No. They go to make friends and followers. I've literally seen a secular metal head walk past an angry bible-basher with a bullhorn who was street preaching outside of a metal concert, go inside, and sit down with a Christian metal head and start a conversation. No idea if he was ever saved, but I know he agreed to go to church with his Christian friend one time. People don't hate Christians because of the message, they hate Christian for the way they act so aloof and condescending. A little understanding goes a long way.

P.S. Before you use my apostasy as proof that metal is harmful, you should know that the years I spent in a Christian metal band and the years following were the times when I felt closest to God and my faith was strongest. I didn't lose my faith until at least 6 years later and it was for completely unrelated reasons.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

There are more than enough TOP CHRISTIAN Bands and groups out there that sing the right thing ...ut show something else .. Infact Occult symbolism even on their album covers, lyrics and clothing ..

Just becuase it says Jesus doesnt mean anything unless it is GODLY originated ...

I'm not talking about you in particular because I don't know you. But I find that Christians in general know next to nothing about the occult or occult symbolism. I find that if a Christian says they used to be into satanism or the occult before they were saved, they usually mean they read harry potter and maybe played with a Ouija board once or twice. And when tested, they can't identify real occult symbols beyond what is found in the movies.

And speaking of top Christian bands, how many do you know personally? I could introduce you to some of them if you'd like.

 

[nahtino]

Example of a Christian MEtal Band ...Spreading the GOSPEL of JEsus Christ to the World ....
as I lay dying album covers - Google Search

AS I LAY DYING ...



http://www.hmmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/AILDCOVER.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nezncQQR-...As_I_Lay_Dying_Frail_Words_Collapse_Cover.jpg

http://www.hmmagazine.com/reviews/album/as_i_lay_dying_cover.jpg

 

[nahtino]

Very very christian ... I see the fruits of the Holy Spirit right there ...

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Very very christian ... I see the fruits of the Holy Spirit right there ...

Remember when I said I could personally introduce you to the Christian metal bands that you're judging? Well it's been a few years but I'm sure Tim from As I Lay Dying would remember me. My old band used to play shows with them before they got their major record deal and we used to hang out afterwards. We're from the same city.


And what's wrong with skulls? We all have them. God made them. They serve a very important function. Furthermore, there was a time when the skull and cross bones was a Christian symbol. "Momento Mori." Remember that you will die, and when you die you will be judged. So live a godly life. I don't really see what is so bad with those album covers. They seem pretty mild compared to other album covers I've seen.


EDIT: Also I was hoping you'd respond to my earlier posts. They took a while to write and research and you just sort of ignored them.

 

[nahtino]

Those Album covers are occult mate ...exactly the same as any other Psuedo demonic Secular Metal band out there ...An album cover is a flag, a symbol, statement of what the contents of the music represent, state, mean and promote ... or atleast the personality of the band/musician.music ...

you have just been de-sensitised to it, as you have chosen to accept it as part of your logic and reality ...

Friend, how do you propergate/teach light to Darkness, through using Darkness...?

 

[nahtino]

You know, there is such a thing as Mixed Up Christianity ....it comes in various mixtures and degrees ... but each time and in each degree further it gets mixed, the further away from TRUTH it is ...

Friend ...as a christian, our purpose is not to sanitise and rationalise worldy things/practises and see them as somehow being usefull towards God ...but we use what God has told/ taught us to follow ...

The above music, philosophy and images reflect the practice of going further towards the EDGE/oppositie of what Gods standard is ...

God says Godliness, Life, Fruits of the Holy spirit, following christ , peace, love, joy, fullfillment ...etc ..

but the above propagates using death, suffering, darkness, wrestling within darkness and demons etc as being someway or somehow being about Christianity and following/ reflecting Jesus ...

but to continue look, act and think like... mingle and socialise with such things and put them on yourself is opposite of GOD ..period ...

The very practice, is called

Luciferianism , which in essence is a religion of worshiping the light/good and evil/bad aspects of the lucifer ...

There is no such approach to Jesus ...The Lord Jesus is PURE LIGHT/Love/Light ... and following HIM leads to such .. NOT wallowing in Torment ...