What are your thoughts on this?

Astrid · Aug 10, 2023

BPPLEE said:
I don’t think most people have a problem with evolution being taught. It’s not being focused on and if you have different beliefs you can teach your children at home.
It’s sexualizing children that parents are concerned about

There's almost half of all Americans who
think there was an ark and that evolution is fake.
They teach such beliefs at home and in their tax supported churches

Evolution is not a "belief ". It's the centerboard of
all of biology.

The religious right constant attempts to replace it with creationism.

Sure, you can point to differences. No two
things are the same.

But it's the same group of religiously motivated
people with the simlarly uninformed ideas. The
same religious prejudice.

ozso · Aug 10, 2023

BPPLEE said:
I don’t think most people have a problem with evolution being taught. It’s not being focused on and if you have different beliefs you can teach your children at home.
It’s sexualizing children that parents are concerned about

Right. This is "these are all the different unique special genders you can be little timmy".

rjs330 · Aug 10, 2023

childeye 2 said:
My point is that yes, it is God when you feel compassion and sorrow for transgenders, but no it's not God if you feel anger against teachers of acceptance as in treating others as oneself.

I disagree. I think it's perfectly okay to be angry at those who are actively recruiting people to accept and approve of this as okay and also trying to get them to actually try it out. The kids are the victims here. The adults are not. We should be angry at those who are pushing this atrocity. I have no problem being angry at those who are doing this. There is such a thing as righteous anger. That's what many of us have.

I'm not angry at my friend's daughter. I'm angry at her molester. I'm angry at those who encouraged her to believe transitioning was the right thing to do to make her happy. I'm angry and those who would offer their services to make it happen. She's still not happy by the way.

I want angry at the guy in the store who was dressed up as a woman. He looked lost. I'm angry at those who told him doing that would make him feel better and that he would be happy and satisfied and it would help him take care of his problems. It obviously didn't. I'm angry at teachers who would tell children that they might not be the sex they came into the world as and introduced them to the subject which eventually lead to a 400% increase in transgenderism in perfectly normal kids going through perfectly normal teenage anxiety. I should be angry at that. It is righteous to do so and I won't apologize for it. Leave the kids alone.

Astrid · Aug 10, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Right. This is "these are all the different unique special genders you can be little timmy".

As if.

But that's the essence of the complaint.
Fevered imzgination.

rjs330 · Aug 10, 2023

Bradskii said:
From here: Gay Men's Chorus dog-piled with death threats by vile QAnon conspiracy theorists

“Singers on their social media have been getting threats. It’s been a harrowing 36 hours,” Verdugo said. One Twitter user gained widespread traction on social media when they tweeted claiming that many members of the chorus are registered sex offenders.'

That was when the video first came out. So you've got low life twitter users saying, effectively, 'Look, these guys are actually paedophiles. And they admit that they're coming for your children'.

And people heard what they wanted to hear, made zero attempt to check those gutter level accusations and what do we get? Death threats and widespread links to the altered video across multiple social media outlets. Even to the extent that it's been posted here.

Maybe you have some thoughts on how we can prevent people from doing this?

I don't know that you can. Just like we can't prevent choirs like this singing things like this. Not unless you want to shut down free speech. Now I do think the whole death threat business has gotten out of hand in all sides. There are plenty of conservatives who have gotten plenty of death threats from the liberals as well. It's the world we live in. And I do t think there is a way to stop it because even if you created laws against it they are unenforceable due to the ease of anonymity these days. Spoof phone numbers, fake IP addresses, fake anonymous email addresses and servers. Welcome to the 21st century.

What is interesting is that we take these threats far too seriously. I mean, has any of these guys been killed yet? Have any hospitals or clinics been bombed after the death threats? Have any conservatives been killed after the death threats? Or even been shot at?

I get it. I wouldn't want a bunch of death threats either. It should not be happening in a civilized society. Apparently we don't and can't live in one.

rjs330 · Aug 10, 2023

childeye 2 said:
Who is them in your first line, because all Gays and even all Christians don't often agree with what is phobic or hateful? The above line underscored does not qualify what "acceptance" entails. Avoid using and reacting to sarcasm or facetious statements, because it cripples/limits a response. Tell others that they don't get to say what you mean and avoid doing the same.

Words are power and the Truth is not impotent. Therefore, I would approach Queer fixation by asking about it with a pure heart.

Example of conversation with a drag queen:
Why do drag queens dress up like women? Why do they want to read to children? Why seek acceptance when you can't come and read as who you are, a male? What is the fixation with such a disguise? What if a male child you're reading to is gay and he finds you sexually enticing, do drag queens think about that, or is that the whole point?

Them is all of those who would accuse you of hate and phobias. Of course truth is not impotent. That's why they hate it. They don't believe in truth. They believe in THEIR truth. And their truth is whatever an individual wants to be true. There is no Truth.

All you need to do is read the manifesto and you will see their point.

rjs330 · Aug 10, 2023

Bradskii said:
Indeed. Can you recall anyone in over 800 posts actually taking to task those gutter dwellers who threatened to kill those guys? Hey, no. They were just asking for it.

Knowing the way society is I think we are ALL aware of the potential consequences for our actions in these times. I don't believe for a second they didn't know that they were going to provoke people. I think they knew good and well what was going to happen. Just like those on the right who say things against this stuff. They know good and well they are going to get death threats. It's part of the package anymore.

Do I think they deserved it? No. No one does. No conservative deserves it either. But they aren't victims either because they know how it works these days. Say something in public that the other side doesn't like and you will get death threats. That's what we've fallen to. It shouldn't be that way. We should be civilized and be able to have hot conversations and deep disagreements without threats of violence.

But comon' man. Mankind has never been able to do that. We are a violent group. Violence has always been a part of us. I do t and cer see it changing.

ozso · Aug 10, 2023

rjs330 said:
Knowing the way society is I think we are ALL aware of the potential consequences for our actions in these times. I don't believe for a second they didn't know that they were going to provoke people. I think they knew good and well what was going to happen. Just like those on the right who say things against this stuff. They know good and well they are going to get death threats. It's part of the package anymore.

Do I think they deserved it? No. No one does. No conservative deserves it either. But they aren't victims either because they know how it works these days. Say something in public that the other side doesn't like and you will get death threats. That's what we've fallen to. It shouldn't be that way. We should be civilized and be able to have hot conversations and deep disagreements without threats of violence.

But comon' man. Mankind has never been able to do that. We are a violent group. Violence has always been a part of us. I do t and cer see it changing.

Brad's going by an article in Pink News that didn't bother to show any evidence of the reported threats. And pointed out some broad youtube comments that were along the lines of "I'll waiting at home with my gun if anyone shows up to get my kid". In other words people saying they will protect their children.

BPPLEE · Aug 10, 2023

Estrid said:
There's almost half of all Americans who
think there was an ark and that evolution is fake.
They teach such beliefs at home and in their tax supported churches

Evolution is not a "belief ". It's the centerboard of
all of biology.

The religious right constant attempts to replace it with creationism.

Sure, you can point to differences. No two
things are the same.

But it's the same group of religiously motivated
people with the simlarly uninformed ideas. The
same religious prejudice.

As far as I know nowhere in the United States have creationists succeeded in stopping evolution from being taught in public schools. If you have an example please provide a link.
Evolution is taught in every public school in the country as far as I know
This seems like an effort to distract from the subject at hand and it’s comparing apples to oranges.
It’s surprising coming from you. I usually agree with you when you are not having it out with Christians.

BPPLEE · Aug 10, 2023

Virginia finalizes guidance on transgender students, including rolling back some accommodations

Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s administration says it has finalized new policies on the treatment of transgender students.

apnews.com

rjs330 · Aug 10, 2023

Whyayeman said:
They sang a satirical song. Some people didn't see the satire.

It wasn't satire.

BPPLEE · Aug 10, 2023

rjs330 said:
It wasn't satire.

For something to be funny there has to be some truth to it. That’s why they find it funny. They really are trying to convert children

Astrid · Aug 10, 2023

BPPLEE said:
As far as I know nowhere in the United States have creationists succeeded in stopping evolution from being taught in public schools. If you have an example please provide a link.
Evolution is taught in every public school in the country as far as I know
This seems like an effort to distract from the subject at hand and it’s comparing apples to oranges.
It’s surprising coming from you. I usually agree with you when you are not having it out with Christians.

For most of American history it was Bible Bible Bible.

Your scopes monkey trial was over the illegality
of teaching evolution.

They keep trying to bring it in, with ID or ' teach the controversy". Luckily it's unconsitutiona.

That's the religious right.
Same people as are gettin' into book banning,
and all the anti non conventional " orientations"
that we see now.

All this is news of the obvious and well known.
So why bother to challenge it?

And I said its not the exact same. It's just being g tiresome to point out a less than perfect comparison.
What IS the same is the people and their
guide star- the bible, as per their infallible readin'.

You disagree coz you are wrong.

And I don't have it out, as you call it, with Christians per se.

If a Christian or a Wombatist makes a non factual statement about something of interest
to me, well, this is, like, a debate forum?

And I stay quiet unless I'm right.

Astrid · Aug 10, 2023

BPPLEE said:
For something to be funny there has to be some truth to it. That’s why they find it funny. They really are trying to convert children

Nope. It can include things false but believed to be
true.
if i laughed at Noahs ark ....?
You cannot use laughter as a truth detector.

BPPLEE · Aug 10, 2023

Estrid said:
For most of American history it was Bible Bible Bible.

Your scopes monkey trial was over the illegality
of teaching evolution.

They keep trying to bring it in, with ID or ' teach the controversy". Luckily it's unconsitutiona.

That's the religious right.
Same people as are gettin' into book banning,
and all the anti non conventional " orientations"
that we see now.

All this is news of the obvious and well known.
So why bother to challenge it?

And I said its not the exact same. It's just being g tiresome to point out a less than perfect comparison.
What IS the same is the people and their
guide star- the bible, as per their infallible readin'.

You disagree coz you are wrong.

And I don't have it out, as you call it, with Christians per se.

If a Christian or a Wombatist makes a non factual statement about something of interest
to me, well, this is, like, a debate forum?

And I stay quiet unless I'm right.

What exactly am I wrong about.?

Astrid · Aug 10, 2023

BPPLEE said:
What exactly am I wrong about.?

You forget ? Howabout I join you and we both fuhgedabout this.

BPPLEE · Aug 10, 2023

Estrid said:
Nope. It can include things false but believed to be
true.
if i laughed at Noahs ark ....?
You cannot use laughter as a truth detector.

The story of Noah’s Ark is not satire. You may find it humorous but that was not the intent of the author

BPPLEE · Aug 10, 2023

Estrid said:
For most of American history it was Bible Bible Bible.

Your scopes monkey trial was over the illegality
of teaching evolution.

They keep trying to bring it in, with ID or ' teach the controversy". Luckily it's unconsitutiona.

That's the religious right.
Same people as are gettin' into book banning,
and all the anti non conventional " orientations"
that we see now.

All this is news of the obvious and well known.
So why bother to challenge it?

And I said its not the exact same. It's just being g tiresome to point out a less than perfect comparison.
What IS the same is the people and their
guide star- the bible, as per their infallible readin'.

You disagree coz you are wrong.

And I don't have it out, as you call it, with Christians per se.

If a Christian or a Wombatist makes a non factual statement about something of interest
to me, well, this is, like, a debate forum?

And I stay quiet unless I'm right.

I don’t want religion of any kind taught in a public school

Astrid · Aug 10, 2023

BPPLEE said:
I don’t want religion of any kind taught in a public school

Theres a fuzzy area with morality. Ideas of same
that are not religion per se.

But yes, religion outta schools.

BPPLEE · Aug 10, 2023

Estrid said:
For most of American history it was Bible Bible Bible.

Your scopes monkey trial was over the illegality
of teaching evolution.

They keep trying to bring it in, with ID or ' teach the controversy". Luckily it's unconsitutiona.

That's the religious right.
Same people as are gettin' into book banning,
and all the anti non conventional " orientations"
that we see now.

All this is news of the obvious and well known.
So why bother to challenge it?

And I said its not the exact same. It's just being g tiresome to point out a less than perfect comparison.
What IS the same is the people and their
guide star- the bible, as per their infallible readin'.

You disagree coz you are wrong.

And I don't have it out, as you call it, with Christians per se.

If a Christian or a Wombatist makes a non factual statement about something of interest
to me, well, this is, like, a debate forum?

And I stay quiet unless I'm right.

My objection to young children being taught fluid gender identity and sexual orientation has nothing to do with the Bible

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