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And what? The US is not a theocracy. I prefer to have abortion kept legal. I don't have an issue with LBGT folks getting married...Christians did not originate the idea of marriage, and in the US, it's a legal thing at its core.

And yeah, I can see Jesus being ALL in favor of every unbalanced idiot on the streets having guns. Do you have ANY idea how stupid that sounds?

Oh, learning to spell might help your case just a wee bit...learning facts might help even more.
 
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GOD started marriage with Adam and Eve. Abortion is the law of the land. Hopefully women will see killing your baby is bad. Many abortions are because the timing is not right, I have enough children. We are luck our moms did not think that way about us. That aside, the Killing of babies in the womb is a sin according to scripture. many abortions are because of immoral sexual activity.

Guns don't kill anyone, people pulling the trigger do. When good people have no guns criminals will have them. If you don't want one don't have one. Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws, that sure works good. 4,000 people killed just so far this year.

Facts can be twisted as we saw last night. Spelling can be corrected, but killing a person either in the open or the womb can not be corrected.
 
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And ideas like those are some of the reasons I ran screaming away from Christianity...I can't do the "check your brain at the door" thing. And...there's no arguing with those who are so blind they will not see.

You want to live in a theocracy? Go move to Saudi Arabia. The USA is not a "Christian" country and if I have anything to say about it, it will NEVER be.
 
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Nevermind...there's no point in talking to people who have been willingly brainwashed into believing a bunch of baloney.

One day there will be a VERY LOUD collective popping noise of millions of people finally screwing their heads on straight (about half way through Trump's first term)
 
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You have crossed over the edge when you tell me to go to..... You can say IMO, but watch your words. You are an angry person, and what you have experienced does not other were involved in a place with mindless unthinking people. Too bad you did not do proper research before you went. I seriously doubt you have educated your self to the extent some of us have on Christianity.
 
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And you claim that your faith is Christianity?
 
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And you claim that your faith is Christianity?

By a basic definition of Christianity,Yes. By a fundamentalist, whacked out, legalistic, hateful definition, no.

I support equal rights for all.
I support that all people have the right to marry.
I support that a woman has the right to decide her own reproductive choices
I support robust social safety nets for all
I support universal health care for all
I support strict gun control and bans on certain weapons (although I have yet to figure out what guns have to do with Christianity).

Now...just because my brand of Christianity doesn't match yours doesn't mean anything other than it doesn't match. Go ahead and tell me what a nasty, wretched, non-Christian I am.

I am angry that my country has been co-opted by "Christians" who insist that the US is a "Christian" country and don't understand that there is no official religion in the US, that "Christians" have been responsible for reprehensible behavior towards minorities throughout US history.

Facts are facts. Historical facts are historical facts. That's the way it is.
 
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Actually it would be a boon to the USA if it had really been co-opted by genuine Christians. Those who mistreated minorities were "pretend" Christians.

And the issue today is not whether "Christians" have been responsible for reprehensible behavior (since bearing the label of "Christian" does not make people Christians). The issue today is that the left-liberals have hijacked America and the principles on which it was founded. They have even hijacked the Republicans, since most of them are now RINOs. The Democrats and the leftists have promoted every evil and perversion, and even the KKK was a creation of the Democrats. BLM has nothing to do with racial justice but everything to do with chaos and the promotion of hatred and civil unrest to tear apart America.

What America is facing today is (1) Jihad from Radical Islam, (2) a known criminal seeking the highest office of the land and (3) the globalist elites seeking to take down the USA. So deflecting attention to Christians and their alleged crimes is another attempt by the left to escape the searchlight of truth. Even this last debate was a RIGGED DEBATE but Trump did not call it out immediately (he should have walked away or even refused to let Lester Holt get involved). The whole idea was to make Hillary look good instead of dealing with the facts (which you are so keen about). In spite of these shenanigans, Trump acutally gained supporters.
 
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(since bearing the label of "Christian" does not make people Christians).

Ahhh...the "no true Scotsman" argument. It's been tried, it's tired. It's bogus.

The whole idea was to make Hillary look good instead of dealing with the facts (which you are so keen about)

What facts? Can you tell me which facts?

Why do you assume I support either candidate? I think they're both wrong.

The US is not going to go down from "radical Jihad"...that's a bogus argument, a false flag to turn attention away from real issues. What will kill the US will be much of what brought about the French Revolution.

But then again...for most Christians, history is not their strong point.
 
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I'm not going to tell you that you are a "nasty, wretched, non-Christian." I don't know your heart. God knows your heart. The only thing that I know is what you have told me here. And if all that is true, then the only thing that I can say is, all of what you have typed here does not align with the Word of God. If you want to be a true Christian you need to know the truth of Gods Word, believe it and live it.
 
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Sez you.
Please point out to me where Jesus tried to change a culture by becoming political and attempting to force people to follow His words. Also, please point out to me where Jesus said anything about having a weapon was a Christian ideal.

Thank you.
And, while you're telling me what I need to be a "true Christian", I'd like to remind you that the New Testament is amazingly silent on many of the issues brought up in this thread. Again...the USA is NOT a Theocracy nor is it a "Christian" nation. Once you understand the difference between rights granted by the US Constitution and the bible, you'll be well on your way to understanding that the US is not a Christian nation. Christians do not deserve to have their agenda forced down the throats of the rest of us who do not believe as they do...The Constitution gives certain rights to people, and those rights are SECULAR and have nothing to do with the bible. The problem is that there are militant Christians who don't understand this...and want to force a theocracy on those of us who enjoy our freedoms.
 
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There hasn't been a theocracy in this world since God gave Samuel permission to give the Nation of Israel a King.

Your anger is impressive.
 
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Your anger is impressive.

Oh...it's "anger" when I point out the sheer stupidity of the argument? You can't take me, a woman, taking you to task and requiring you to back up what you say? You have an interesting definition of anger. But, I guess that's what you call it when I haven't caved to the idiocy I see and hear every day from those who claim to believe in the One who said "Love one another as I have loved you" and told his followers that those who did not reach out to help others would end up in that really hot place...yet they keep going and going in their way.
 
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By what the Bible says, and what you say you believe, there seems to be some discrepancy between the two, IMO. Suggest you read John 13:34,35. Then tell me how you see how it fits with how you attack, and belittle others, Does only your opinion count? Do you have the right to bitterly diminish and destroy others who don't see things just like you? I can't help but wonder why you are so bitter with Christians who don't quite agree with you?

You really feel that killing babies in the womb is acceptable to god? He said you shall mot murder.
God said marriage is between a man and a woman. You don't agree?
How would you suggest I kill a wild dog that someone dropped off, and has not eaten for a week or more, that is ready to attack my chickens or baby goats, or my pet dag that weighs 4 pounds? Club it to death while it bites the crap out of me, my wife or grandchild? Some of us gun / Rifle owners have to own a weapon! When you take away all guns what do you expect will happen? Maybe cops will be more responsible?
 
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You really feel that killing babies in the womb is acceptable to god? He said you shall mot murder.
Go back and study Jewish tradition and law again. Understand that the big "right to life" thing was an effort to galvanize christians to join the republican party, to stand AGAINST other issues of the time. See "the southern solution" for more information...y'all been brainwashed and you're all too blind to see it.
God said marriage is between a man and a woman. You don't agree?
In the USA, the 14th amendment to the constitution states that ALL have equal protection under the law, that protection extends to marriage and the right to marry. Sorry, "God" has nothing to do with secular law. Don't like it? Don't marry a gay person.
You come up with some insane examples. But, it's about what I expect.
 
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I suggest you read her profile "information" that pretty much says it all.

My profile, huh? Well...if you don't like it...tough stuff. I do not have to identify as YOUR type of "Christian" to claim to be a Christian...you do not hold the SOLE definition of Christian.
 
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Absolutely superb post. Trump is pathologically narcissistic. Psychologists have publicly warned us so. But I can't vote for Hillary either. This is one of those elections that I have to vote for a third party candidate, even though they have no chance of winning. I'm going American Solidarity Party.
 
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Well if I came with what you expected, then It seems stupid to respond to you. By, see ya around. I am done!
 
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