WinBySurrender
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I think it's a reality impediment from RisingSpirit's end of the Internet. The problem lies between the keyboard and the chair ... if ya git muh drift?
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I think it's a reality impediment from RisingSpirit's end of the Internet. The problem lies between the keyboard and the chair ... if ya git muh drift?Does anyone understand what RisingSpirit is saying? Is it just me, or is my computer exhibiting a reception impediment?
Pay attention to my koans.Does anyone understand what RisingSpirit is saying? Is it just me, or is my computer exhibiting a reception impediment?
Anyway (anyways for those under 30), thanks DeaconDean for that thread, which gets us back to the subject.
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Do the Baptist of this topic agree with this meaning "us" isn't always everyone of us or all of mankind?Us = those who are saved now or will be saved in the future.
Usually that's correct, but I attended a church for two years in the late 90's where the pastor seemed solid as a rock. But he wasn't.If you have any reservations regarding a person's theology, they can generally be verified by looking into their personal life and looking for evidence of Godliness. The words that come out of a person's mouth say may say a lot, but how a person lives their life speaks volumes.
I been seeing a lot of wives divorce popular preachers. Is it wives tired of the "Obey Me" rituals or what?. . .Several years ago, John Hagee divorced his first wife and married a younger woman. . . .
It's not a ritual, it's biblical, and the whole command is "submit ourselves, one to the other." Both spouses submit to the agreed will of the couple, which the Lord has made one flesh.I been seeing a lot of wives divorce popular preachers. Is it wives tired of the "Obey Me" rituals or what?
Thats very interesting. I think his son also left and started a church in Buckhead outside of Atlanta. Wow ! How in the world did Stanley get that far and then his wife makes a turn.. . .In Dr. Stanley's case several years ago, his wife decided she had been living a lie, that she was not a Christian and she could not remain in the marriage. She apparently had never believed, but had wanted the aura of the successful marriage so much she had deluded everyone, including herself, into believing she was 100% with his ministry.
Only God knows. Andy, by the way, is now the Administrative Pastor at First Baptist and will likely assume his father's duties when Charles decides to step down. Andy has preached many messages on the In Touch TV program.Thats very interesting. I think his son also left and started a church in Buckhead outside of Atlanta. Wow ! How in the world did Stanley get that far and then his wife makes a turn.
Hagee may not talk constantly about money, but he nonetheless is a a preacher of the "prosperity gospel." He believe poverty is a curse and the result of sin and disobedience to the Word. He further claims "your income is controlled by your giving," that what you tithe and offer above that determines how greatly God blesses you financially. There is no biblical basis for these teachings.I haven't heard him preach on that subject because, honestly, I discounted him as a valid messenger and prophet of God long ago. If Hagee is preaching anything other than salvation through Jesus Christ for all men, and those in Judaism who will be saved are included in that, then he is preaching more heresy than I thought.
This is my first post so please forgive me if I am doing anything incorrectly.
I have attended Pastor John Hagee's church for many years and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he does NOT preach dual covenant.
He believes ALL must come to the saving knowledge of God's Son Jesus Christ. That is the only way to Heaven.
As for the prosperity part. I believe that the Bible calls us to tithe to the church that "feeds" us, and Pastor does too.
Blessings,
well lets just squash this lie right now & be done with it, eh?
NTEB: John Hagee and Dual Covenant Theology
Middle of the page is a john haggee video advert for "In defense of Israel" where he SAYS that Jesus never claimed to be the messiah!
out of his own mouth, on video. can't be more clearer than that!
The stars of heaven represent the church. The stars produce light, and the church is commanded to be "the light of the world"...God gave to the Jewish people a physical land whose literal boundries are given in Genesis 15:18-21. It is a specific land with Jerusalem as its capital city forever. The church has been given a heavenly kingdom, just as Christ promised: "In my Fathers house [heaven] are many mansions...I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am [with the Father in heaven], there you may be also" (John 14:2-3) Israel has been given an earthly kingdom with an earthly Jerusalem now located in Israel. The church has been given the New Jerusalem located in heaven.
I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.
I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith...In fact, trying to convert Jews is a waste of time, he said. The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They (already) have a faith structure. Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Bahai, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity.
Inasmuch as God has blinded them to the identity of Messiah, targeting the Jewish people for mass evangelism is fruitless.
It has more to do with past, present and future all happening at once. To think every leaf tumbling just the way God made it tumble calls for a different view what God is. If it happened, like a leaf fell this way, then it happened for real. If you see it happen, it is real. Every action is from God. You watching and observing the single leaf is from God's actions. Knowing God has more to do with what you do with the present. Like my name, It will be more obvious if you raise your spirit to your head. Even though many Christians call Zen cultic, at the same time the Monks discovered the meaning of what it means to be one with the watch on your wrist. Something happens when the bottom of your consciousness falls out. You hear the thunders of God for real. Then you have the ah ha ! moment. The Presbyterians are on the right path to discover the awakening ah ha ! moment. To question that the watch isn't one with the wearer will cause the arminian to fall into the free will trap that you'll never escape from. The slug is too slow to catch up with present of God's events. The Presbys are a little faster than the arminian slug. Actually closer to God and his truth.
Note: God did not predestined your events based on what you do down the road of your life. If you think that, you're the slug
Now I am Not saying there is two covenants, but when I was reading this post, a verse came to my mind and was wondering what was your take on it, verse 28 is the verse I am referring to:Lets add to this saying that John Hagee is a full blown dispensationalist:
John Hagee, Jerusalem Countdown: Chapter 15, Has God Rejected Israel? p. 166
Basically, God has one plan for Israel, and one plan for Gentiles, the very heart of Dispensational teaching.
John Hagee also teaches a from of "Universalism".
In the same book, since Romans 9-11 do not apply to Gentiles, he teaches that where it says:
"And so all Israel shall be saved:" -Rom. 11:26 (KJV)
All Israel, the Jews, will be saved. (Jewish Univeralism)
In an interview with John Hagee in Houston Chronicle, John Hagee said Jews already have a covenant with God and a relationship with God and do not need to come to the cross:
San Antonio fundamentalist battles anti-Semitism, Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec. 6, pg. 1
The Jewish race can come to God without going through Jesus Christ. John Hagee is further quoted by the Houston Chronicle as saying:
Ibid
Hagee says preaching the gospel to the Jews is "fruitless":
John Hagee letter (on Cornerstone Church letterhead) to Erwin M. de Castro of the Christian Research Institute, October 18, 1994, pg. 3, pg. 5, emphasis added.
This is the fruits of John Hagee out of his own mouth.
God Bless
Till all are one.
Sorry but this is just a bad misrepresentation of what Presybs believe (or any Calvinists)
A person who believes in Biblical predestination believes that God has not only ordained the ends, but also the means to those ends.
That is, God has ordained that the gospel message of Christ is the tool, the means, that He uses to bring people to salvation. The elect (those that are ordained to eternal life/predestined) are only saved by hearing the gospel and putting personal trust in Jesus Christ.
There's no such thing as being predestined to salvation and just suddenly being saved without hearing the gospel and having faith in Christ.
The ends doesn't happen apart from the means to those ends.
God has predestined us to be saved, but he also chosen the method to use to make that happen.
if that is the way the Church was, wouldn't that be predestined by God, and if we try to change things, would we be in the will of God?Why didn't phoenixdem make the church a little more lively? Why do people rely on other people to save them when only God does the choosing?
What is the entertainment value of any churches? Do we dance cause we deserve to be saved?
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