What are your thoughts on John Hagee?

[Lik3]

I watch his program because he is more sound that other preachers, especially Creflo Dollar, whose focus is money, money, and money. But is there something or are there some things that he preaches that are false? I like his brand of fire and brimstone preaching but there are things that I am not sure about such as on the last days and futurism which appears to be popular theology and on the salvation of the Jews. Didn't he say something to the effect that the Jews do not necessarily need salvation since they are God's chosen people or am I misinterpreting what he was saying?

 

[WinBySurrender]

I watch his program because he is more sound that other preachers, especially Creflo Dollar, whose focus is money, money, and money.

Hagee may not talk constantly about money, but he nonetheless is a a preacher of the "prosperity gospel." He believe poverty is a curse and the result of sin and disobedience to the Word. He further claims "your income is controlled by your giving," that what you tithe and offer above that determines how greatly God blesses you financially. There is no biblical basis for these teachings.

But is there something or are there some things that he preaches that are false? I like his brand of fire and brimstone preaching but there are things that I am not sure about such as on the last days and futurism which appears to be popular theology and on the salvation of the Jews. Didn't he say something to the effect that the Jews do not necessarily need salvation since they are God's chosen people or am I misinterpreting what he was saying?

I haven't heard him preach on that subject because, honestly, I discounted him as a valid messenger and prophet of God long ago. If Hagee is preaching anything other than salvation through Jesus Christ for all men, and those in Judaism who will be saved are included in that, then he is preaching more heresy than I thought.

 

[tas00]

This is my first post so please forgive me if I am doing anything incorrectly.

I have attended Pastor John Hagee's church for many years and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he does NOT preach dual covenant.

He believes ALL must come to the saving knowledge of God's Son Jesus Christ. That is the only way to Heaven.

As for the prosperity part. I believe that the Bible calls us to tithe to the church that "feeds" us, and Pastor does too.

Blessings,

 

[Robs07M6S]

He believes ALL must come to the saving knowledge of God's Son Jesus Christ. That is the only way to Heaven.

I smell a fish, been lots of em around here the last few days.

 

[RisingSpirit]

I watch his program because he is more sound that other preachers, especially Creflo Dollar, whose focus is money, money, and money. But is there something or are there some things that he preaches that are false? I like his brand of fire and brimstone preaching but there are things that I am not sure about such as on the last days and futurism which appears to be popular theology and on the salvation of the Jews. Didn't he say something to the effect that the Jews do not necessarily need salvation since they are God's chosen people or am I misinterpreting what he was saying?

I think Hagee is too focused on supporting republicans and getting too involved in politics when the Gospel should have been preached. Like Calvinism to Protestant in the Catholic era, I think New church like Creffo Dollar or TD Jakes are preach another idea on Jesus being man and not God. New blends of bodily movements boast of thier powers might not be spiritual. I think those types of churches will later get themselve in trouble like the Watchtower.

 

[RisingSpirit]

. . .He believes ALL must come to the saving knowledge of God's Son Jesus Christ. That is the only way to Heaven.. . .

If God predestined whom will be His children before they were born, what knowledge does man need to save themselves?

 

[phoenixdem]

If God predestined whom will be His children before they were born, what knowledge does man need to save themselves?

Don't be like the Presbyterians and think that they don't have to do anything now that God has predestined them. Mankind still has responsibility and can't be like a slug.

 

[RisingSpirit]

Don't be like the Presbyterians and think that they don't have to do anything now that God has predestined them. Mankind still has responsibility and can't be like a slug.

It has more to do with past, present and future all happening at once. To think every leaf tumbling just the way God made it tumble calls for a different view what God is. If it happened, like a leaf fell this way, then it happened for real. If you see it happen, it is real. Every action is from God. You watching and observing the single leaf is from God's actions. Knowing God has more to do with what you do with the present. Like my name, It will be more obvious if you raise your spirit to your head. Even though many Christians call Zen cultic, at the same time the Monks discovered the meaning of what it means to be one with the watch on your wrist. Something happens when the bottom of your consciousness falls out. You hear the thunders of God for real. Then you have the ah ha ! moment. The Presbyterians are on the right path to discover the awakening ah ha ! moment. To question that the watch isn't one with the wearer will cause the arminian to fall into the free will trap that you'll never escape from. The slug is too slow to catch up with present of God's events. The Presbys are a little faster than the arminian slug. Actually closer to God and his truth.
Note: God did not predestined your events based on what you do down the road of your life. If you think that, you're the slug

 

[phoenixdem]

It has more to do with past, present and future all happening at once. To think every leaf tumbling just the way God made it tumble calls for a different view what God is. If it happened, like a leaf fell this way, then it happened for real. If you see it happen, it is real. Every action is from God. You watching and observing the single leaf is from God's actions. Knowing God has more to do with what you do with the present. Like my name, It will be more obvious if you raise your spirit to your head. Even though many Christians call Zen cultic, at the same time the Monks discovered the meaning of what it means to be one with the watch on your wrist. Something happens when the bottom of your consciousness falls out. You hear the thunders of God for real. Then you have the ah ha ! moment. The Presbyterians are on the right path to discover the awakening ah ha ! moment. To question that the watch isn't one with the wearer will cause the arminian to fall into the free will trap that you'll never escape from. The slug is too slow to catch up with present of God's events. The Presbys are a little faster than the arminian slug. Actually closer to God and his truth.
Note: God did not predestined your events based on what you do down the road of your life. If you think that, you're the slug

Are you a believer in Zen?

Note: I think that God is with us at every move in our life. The Scriptures tell us that man still is responsible for his actions even though God directs our steps. Does that make God a divine being who leads His people into sin? Obviously, the answer is no. We won't understand everything about how God works. God's ways are above our ways and we don't need to understand everything now about how God deals with us.

Mankind is still responsible for accepting the gospel, spreading the gospel, and doing good works for others. And, no, I am not saying that good works is our means of salvation. As James points out, good works are simply a fruit of the spirit within us.

 

[Skala]

Don't be like the Presbyterians and think that they don't have to do anything now that God has predestined them. Mankind still has responsibility and can't be like a slug.

Sorry but this is just a bad misrepresentation of what Presybs believe (or any Calvinists)

A person who believes in Biblical predestination believes that God has not only ordained the ends, but also the means to those ends.

That is, God has ordained that the gospel message of Christ is the tool, the means, that He uses to bring people to salvation. The elect (those that are ordained to eternal life/predestined) are only saved by hearing the gospel and putting personal trust in Jesus Christ.

There's no such thing as being predestined to salvation and just suddenly being saved without hearing the gospel and having faith in Christ.

The ends doesn't happen apart from the means to those ends.

God has predestined us to be saved, but he also chosen the method to use to make that happen.

 

[Robs07M6S]

Sorry but this is just a bad misrepresentation of what Presybs believe (or any Calvinists)

A person who believes in Biblical predestination believes that God has not only ordained the ends, but also the means to those ends.

That is, God has ordained that the gospel message of Christ is the tool, the means, that He uses to bring people to salvation. The elect (those that are ordained to eternal life/predestined) are only saved by hearing the gospel and putting personal trust in Jesus Christ.

There's no such thing as being predestined to salvation and just suddenly being saved without hearing the gospel and having faith in Christ.

The ends doesn't happen apart from the means to those ends.

God has predestined us to be saved, but he also chosen the method to use to make that happen.

Thank you, thats the way that im coming to understand it as well.

 

[DeaconDean]

I watch his program because he is more sound that other preachers, especially Creflo Dollar, whose focus is money, money, and money. But is there something or are there some things that he preaches that are false? I like his brand of fire and brimstone preaching but there are things that I am not sure about such as on the last days and futurism which appears to be popular theology and on the salvation of the Jews. Didn't he say something to the effect that the Jews do not necessarily need salvation since they are God's chosen people or am I misinterpreting what he was saying?

Hi sister from a North Carolina guy.

Please, please take the time to read an old thread of mine that addresses what I found out about Pastor Jn. Hagee.

It is here: Losing Respect

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[phoenixdem]

Sorry but this is just a bad misrepresentation of what Presybs believe (or any Calvinists)

A person who believes in Biblical predestination believes that God has not only ordained the ends, but also the means to those ends.

That is, God has ordained that the gospel message of Christ is the tool, the means, that He uses to bring people to salvation. The elect (those that are ordained to eternal life/predestined) are only saved by hearing the gospel and putting personal trust in Jesus Christ.

There's no such thing as being predestined to salvation and just suddenly being saved without hearing the gospel and having faith in Christ.

The ends doesn't happen apart from the means to those ends.

God has predestined us to be saved, but he also chosen the method to use to make that happen.

I attended a Presbyterian Church for a few months in Mississippi. The church was throughly dead. The preacher was drawing a hefty salary and barely delivered a sermon on Sunday from what I could tell. His Bible Study on Wednesday amounted to feeding pablum to an enfant. I understand the Presbyterians hae split now, but all of the churches are now part of the Universal Church from what I can tell.

 

[Skala]

I attended a Presbyterian Church for a few months in Mississippi. The church was throughly dead. The preacher was drawing a hefty salary and barely delivered a sermon on Sunday from what I could tell. His Bible Study on Wednesday amounted to feeding pablum to an enfant. I understand the Presbyterians hae split now, but all of the churches are now part of the Universal Church from what I can tell.

Thank for you sharing this.

But what does it have to do with anything? lol

 

[RisingSpirit]

Thank for you sharing this.

But what does it have to do with anything? lol

Why didn't phoenixdem make the church a little more lively? Why do people rely on other people to save them when only God does the choosing?

What is the entertainment value of any churches? Do we dance cause we deserve to be saved?

 

[RisingSpirit]

Are you a believer in Zen?

Note: I think that God is with us at every move in our life. The Scriptures tell us that man still is responsible for his actions even though God directs our steps. Does that make God a divine being who leads His people into sin? Obviously, the answer is no. We won't understand everything about how God works. God's ways are above our ways and we don't need to understand everything now about how God deals with us.

Mankind is still responsible for accepting the gospel, spreading the gospel, and doing good works for others. And, no, I am not saying that good works is our means of salvation. As James points out, good works are simply a fruit of the spirit within us.

A little backwards reply. Zen is something that helps silence noisy armininian statements such as this one. No calmness and obvious fear of not having free will. A particular Baptist would have a far different reply and that reply would be acceptable in this section of the forum. I don't share that man isn't responsible for their sins nor I statedthat here. Some sort of automatic anti-calivinst approach that doesn't or can't work for the Elects.

 

[RisingSpirit]

. . .God has predestined us to be saved, but he also chosen the method to use to make that happen.

Are are "us"? Is it us, the saved? Is it all of us saved and unsaved? Can us be only those that are saved as predestined?

 

[Hupomone10]

I smell a fish, been lots of em around here the last few days.

There sure have. Wonder what's going on? Is there a Cults Forum somewhere that puts out a blurb that says "go and goad the Baptists..." ?

 

[Hupomone10]

This is my first post so please forgive me if I am doing anything incorrectly.

I have attended Pastor John Hagee's church for many years and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he does NOT preach dual covenant.

He believes ALL must come to the saving knowledge of God's Son Jesus Christ. That is the only way to Heaven.

As for the prosperity part. I believe that the Bible calls us to tithe to the church that "feeds" us, and Pastor does too.

Blessings,

Forgive me, but you have me more curious than the op. Why would you make defending Hagee your first post on CF, and how pray tell would you even know that someone asked about it?

Oh, and please address the issue of his stand regarding Jews not needing salvation because they are God's chosen people.

Thanks,
H.

 

[Hupomone10]

Does anyone understand what RisingSpirit is saying? Is it just me, or is my computer exhibiting a reception impediment?

Anyway (anyways for those under 30), thanks DeaconDean for that thread, which gets us back to the subject.

H.