What are we doing wrong as christians.

[bobbarry]

Except if you think you have the spirit...and continue in your sin, you are decieving yourself.

You continue in sin because you don't have it (impossible not to continue in sin). Receive it and it will be more than possible to live above sin.

Alex - great post, will reply later when i get time.

 

[Alias1234]

Except if you think you do not sin after being baptized, you are deceiving yourself.

What is sin for you?

Sin means to miss the mark.
What you take your self as when you believe a thought is veiling the kingdom of god, it is to miss the mark.

 

[David Waffen]

What is sin for you?

Sin means to miss the mark.
What you take your self as when you believe a thought is veiling the kingdom of god, it is to miss the mark.

What?

Are you saying you sin?

 

[Alias1234]

hahahaha
English is not my main language.
This is probably my last post, it was fun but this language is to hard.
I wrote in a atheist forum once and their replies was only about my bad spelling, maybe also because i talked about Jesus.
It was more friendly in this forum.

I will end with a parable i like and what took me to see clearly.
A wave that no longer sees its self as a separated wave sees the ocean and its true identity, water.

 

[David Waffen]

hahahaha
English is not my main language.
This is probably my last post, it was fun but this language is to hard.
I wrote in a atheist forum once and their replies was only about my bad spelling, maybe also because i talked about Jesus.
It was more friendly in this forum.

I will end with a parable i like and what took me to see clearly.
A wave that no longer sees its self as a separated wave sees the ocean and its true identity, water.

I asked 'what', I did not attack you for your bad spelling or grammar. I then attempted to guess at your intention.

Your English seems to be sufficient - but you will need to clarify your point from time to time. Shorter sentences will help that.

 

[Alias1234]

I asked 'what', I did not attack you for your bad spelling or grammar. I then attempted to guess at your intention.

Your English seems to be sufficient - but you will need to clarify your point from time to time. Shorter sentences will help that.

My first intention of how i wanted to express sin is like this.
When you believe a thought, then you also take your self as something, it is to miss the mark.

We can call that what we are as soul but there is a difference in believing the thought and letting it be because when you believe the thought do you also take your self as something.
The godthought takes your attention away from what you take your self as.
When Jesus died on the cross did he say, my god my god, why have you forsaken me.
It is an expression of how it can feel as he denied the most close self.
When there is no longer a most close self then there is no godthought to take your attention away from the most close self.
It can feel as if you are forsaken.
What you then see, what is revealed, is for you to see for your self.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Do you sin"
"Do you say you don't sin"
"Everybody sins"
"The saved cannot sin"
"Believers don't sin"

so many sayings/ thoughts/ beliefs...

Which ones are true ?

 

[Alias1234]

"Do you sin"
"Do you say you don't sin"
"Everybody sins"
"The saved cannot sin"
"Believers don't sin"

so many sayings/ thoughts/ beliefs...

Which ones are true ?

Goal: Kingdom of god
Teaching: Deny your self.
Sin: Sin means to miss the mark, in sin are we looking for our self.

"You will look for me, but you will not find me, and where I am, you cannot come."
"Jesus said, If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples."
"Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
"Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin."
"Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say."

 

[bobbarry]

Yeshua, the real answer is...the born again christian doesn''t have a sinful nature...and is actually quite easy not to sin, their fleshly nature is crucified with jesus. The fleshly nature is of the devil, the day it's crucified, you will have a spiritual nature...that is pretty much the opposite of the flesh. It the flesh thats keeps pulling people to sin, if it's crucified it's actually very easy to live above sinning...thats why jesus said my commandments wont be burdensome, a lot of people think what he means here is if you love me it will be easy to do for me then. I ll ask these same people this...do you love jesus? they genuinely do even though they dont really know him. Is it unburdensome...no it's not because there still sinning. People are being deceived...

The biggest problem people have is the spirit they thought they received...they didn't, they are being deceived. The easiest indicator is if it didn't come down with joy and love, and your still sinning, you wont have it. Dont believe that your pastors/churches tell you otherwise. The holy spirit will rock you too your boots. You'll be left in no uncertainty.
When you receive it then and only then...sin wont have a hold on you one bit, it will be easy not so sin compared to now...where it's impossible. People are trying to keep spiritual standards in fleshly bodies...it cant be done

It's that spirit you need.

Otherwise you will be decieved in pretty much everything. Thats why the christians are failing.

Satan is even deciving the church

 

[Alias1234]

I am talking about that we are already free.
What are you talking about?

 

[FredVB]

Thankfully, whatever we do wrong as Christians is not so wrong that we are cast away from salvation from God that we have in Christ. Our salvation is ALL his work. That is foremost. And however great or little we sin, we with being in Christ with the essential faith never have to sin again, we are freed from that and Yahweh God provides for our freedom for not having to sin, including his Spirit in us. It is not certain we will never sin again in this life, and we have much in which to be thankful to him with knowing his forgiveness is always there for us. If we think we are not sinning anymore, there is a good possibility that we are not counting something as a sin and have yet kept ourselves from having God show us such. It does not ultimately stop him, if we are his children he will show us, whatever discipline is necessary for that he will use, he is not just letting sin happen among his redeemed any bit longer than it has to. It is in the process of leading to his perfect will, which is for us to submit to, and it is not automatic nor inclusive of all things with his permission, there are higher things meant for us. This is for our spiritual maturity to come to know.

 

[bobbarry]

I apoligise for this in advance...

You wrote...

And however great or little we sin, we with being in Christ with the essential faith never have to sin again, we are freed from that and Yahweh God provides for our freedom for not having to sin, including his Spirit in us.
　
If your still in your sin, you wont be in christ as much as you believe you are, thats not me judging you...thats the truth as much as it's hard to hear. Also someone who practices sin...cannot say they're free from sin...the words in your bible might say thats true but it's not the truth. You have to be honest.
　
You wrote

if we are his children he will show us, whatever discipline is necessary for that he will use, he is not just letting sin happen among his redeemed any bit longer than it has to. It is in the process of leading to his perfect will, which is for us to submit to, and it is not automatic nor inclusive of all things with his permission, there are higher things meant for us. This is for our spiritual maturity to come to know.

This is going to be hard to hear, God is not disciplining you...he's also not in the process of leading to his perfect will, he's not leading you to spiritual maturity either. I m really sorry to write this brother, but it's time we stopped kidding ourselves on. I ve tried to talk to people on here but the truth is they would rather play in the mud. They're too haughty to listen. I ve been trying to tell people how to live above sin without a burden, how to receive God's joyful holy spirit, how to have all the answers that they're seeking but all i get back is people thinking i m on to say i dont sin but you do as if that makes me better than them. As if i need to spend my life on a forum making out i m better than other people. If people start listening and stop questioning...i will give you the answers your all seeking.

 

[FredVB]

Thankfully, whatever we do wrong as Christians is not so wrong that we are cast away from salvation from God that we have in Christ. Our salvation is ALL his work. That is foremost. And however great or little we sin, we with being in Christ with the essential faith never have to sin again, we are freed from that and Yahweh God provides for our freedom for not having to sin, including his Spirit in us. It is not certain we will never sin again in this life, and we have much in which to be thankful to him with knowing his forgiveness is always there for us. If we think we are not sinning anymore, there is a good possibility that we are not counting something as a sin and have yet kept ourselves from having God show us such. It does not ultimately stop him, if we are his children he will show us, whatever discipline is necessary for that he will use, he is not just letting sin happen among his redeemed any bit longer than it has to. It is in the process of leading to his perfect will, which is for us to submit to, and it is not automatic nor inclusive of all things with his permission, there are higher things meant for us. This is for our spiritual maturity to come to know.

If your still in your sin, you wont be in christ as much as you believe you are, thats not me judging you...thats the truth as much as it's hard to hear. Also someone who practices sin...cannot say they're free from sin...the words in your bible might say thats true but it's not the truth. You have to be honest.

This is going to be hard to hear, God is not disciplining you...he's also not in the process of leading to his perfect will, he's not leading you to spiritual maturity either. I m really sorry to write this brother, but it's time we stopped kidding ourselves on. I ve tried to talk to people on here but the truth is they would rather play in the mud. They're too haughty to listen. I ve been trying to tell people how to live above sin without a burden, how to receive God's joyful holy spirit, how to have all the answers that they're seeking but all i get back is people thinking i m on to say i dont sin but you do as if that makes me better than them. As if i need to spend my life on a forum making out i m better than other people. If people start listening and stop questioning...i will give you the answers your all seeking.

It is hard to see that you are not replying to any or all others as opposed to me specifically. I am making no personal judgment, this is God's work. If any remain with sinning as they have been it is a sign that they are not among the saved at all and still in their sin.

Yahweh God does discipline us, let us use Bible passages for our positions. In Hebrews 12 from verses 5-11 Proverbs 3 is quoted.

“My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
For whom Yahweh loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”

If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

 

[bobbarry]

First off fred i'd like to apoligise for my post above...sometimes i type and dont bother re-reading until it's up.

The point i m trying to make is this, i think we can include alex in this as well as i ve still not replyed to him yet.

The bible is the amazing word of God, but here's where we get ourselves in all kinds of trouble, it only applies to people that have been born again with the spirit of God inside them. I m not saying it should only be read by these people.

I ll take the scripture you've quoted about God disciplining you, and it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

I m saying people that dont have that spirit, read that and feel God is disciplining them, but the problem is it isn't yielding the peaceable fruit of righteousness, or not the peaceful fruit of righteousness God is talking about.

How long do you wait??...you'll wait a lifetime without the spirit.

I m saying that people's teaching's are all over the place today, they dont know what to believe, thats why christianity today is in a mess, and it's not because of their sin, it's because their still in the darkness/confusion, receive the spirit, the one i talk of and you'll know what the bible really says/means. We're taking the words with our fleshly thinking and trying to understant it, the flesh will trick you all day long. We're actually putting more on our shoulders than we can bear.

Be made spirit, and then you'll understand it, in the flesh you'll just become divided, thats why your struggling and if your not you should be. Everybody born has one God...the devil, it's not a choice, dont believe you have free will for one second...people are seeking God...not quite finding him and are divided, thats why people are struggling but we think it's struggling for God. Be born again with that spiirt and you're God will be God that you all seek.

 

[nccountryboy]

Right now, I'm going through some financial issues that have me down and struggling to deal with what is coming at me. Sometimes it's frustrating to know I keep doing the same wrong things and making the same mistakes over and over. It's hard for me to devote time to scripture and sometimes I just don't want to go to church. But - as bad and worthless as I sometimes feel - I still know that I have Christ and the Holy Spirit.

I don't believe that the Holy Spirit leaves us once we have accepted Christ. We may choose to ignore it and go our own way, but pushing away scripture is not the answer for me. Maybe pushing away the media of the world is better - TV, movies, radio, internet - all have things that detract from our Christian walk.

Primi is right that we live in a world of instant gratification with anythng we want to watch on TV, stores and restaurants open 24 hours, and so on. As Christians, I think we can get caught up in the same way of thinking - wanting to feel "Godly" or "filled with the spirit" all of the time. In the end, I think we are weak in the flesh and will continue making mistakes, but the Holy Spirit and sacrifice of Christ gives us the promise of something better in the end.

Just remember the bible says to work out your own salvation. Being a christian is a daily walk where we grow or should be growing. If we daily would just pray every morning and evening and then often throughout the day we could grow. Our santification is something that grows as we mature. Those that say they are christians but then do not daily walk with Christ are just fooling themsselves into thinking they are ok but in reality it is not so. Being a christian is a lifestyle not just a name title.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Just remember the bible says to work out your own salvation. Being a christian is a daily walk where we grow or should be growing. If we daily would just pray every morning and evening and then often throughout the day we could grow. Our santification is something that grows as we mature. Those that say they are christians but then do not daily walk with Christ are just fooling themsselves into thinking they are ok but in reality it is not so. Being a christian is a lifestyle not just a name title.

a long long time ago (for me) i was relieved to read 'the normal christian life' by watchman nee; published by cfp christian fellowship publishers (important to get cfp publication and NOT living stream which is corrupted versions).

it is convicting, refreshing, rejoicing, and revealing of the christian walk no matter where they are.... all fully agreeing with scripture, not trying to get you this way or that way - just telling God's Word as revealed.

 

[Alias1234]

Give your self to god.
Dont take your self as what you take your self as.
What do you see.

 

[Bluelion]

I apoligise for this in advance...

You wrote...

And however great or little we sin, we with being in Christ with the essential faith never have to sin again, we are freed from that and Yahweh God provides for our freedom for not having to sin, including his Spirit in us.
　
If your still in your sin, you wont be in christ as much as you believe you are, thats not me judging you...thats the truth as much as it's hard to hear. Also someone who practices sin...cannot say they're free from sin...the words in your bible might say thats true but it's not the truth. You have to be honest.
　
You wrote

if we are his children he will show us, whatever discipline is necessary for that he will use, he is not just letting sin happen among his redeemed any bit longer than it has to. It is in the process of leading to his perfect will, which is for us to submit to, and it is not automatic nor inclusive of all things with his permission, there are higher things meant for us. This is for our spiritual maturity to come to know.

This is going to be hard to hear, God is not disciplining you...he's also not in the process of leading to his perfect will, he's not leading you to spiritual maturity either. I m really sorry to write this brother, but it's time we stopped kidding ourselves on. I ve tried to talk to people on here but the truth is they would rather play in the mud. They're too haughty to listen. I ve been trying to tell people how to live above sin without a burden, how to receive God's joyful holy spirit, how to have all the answers that they're seeking but all i get back is people thinking i m on to say i dont sin but you do as if that makes me better than them. As if i need to spend my life on a forum making out i m better than other people. If people start listening and stop questioning...i will give you the answers your all seeking.

Yet the Bible says if you say you don't sin you are a lair. Everyone sins even those saved, we do not have complete freedom in this world in this bodies because sin lives in this bodies we need to finish the race to have all that is promised and complete freedom, as Paul wrote.

 

[Emmy]

Dear bobbarry. You keep telling us that we need the Holy Spirit, and how very important it is. We thank you for it, and we all, me included, wish that you would tell us what we are doing wrong: HOW WILL WE GET THE HOLY SPIRIT TO COME AND STAY WITH US? We are doing what Jesus told the Lawyer in Matthew 22: 35-40: " Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. ALSO: Love our neighbour as we love ourselves." What is missing??? or what are we doing wrong?
Jesus told us to " Ask and ye shall receive," then we ask God for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all Love and Joy with all around us. We keep asking God for Love and Joy, we thank God for Love and Joy, then we share all Love and Joy with our neighbour. ( Matthew 7: 7-10 Are we asking for the wrong things? should we ask for the Holy Spirit rather? tell us please, dear robbarry.
It is well known that we truly need the Holy Spirit to help and guide us, but what shall we do? Have we only to Ask and Receive? I ask this with love.
Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Alias1234]

Dear bobbarry. You keep telling us that we need the Holy Spirit, and how very important it is. We thank you for it, and we all, me included, wish that you would tell us what we are doing wrong: HOW WILL WE GET THE HOLY SPIRIT TO COME AND STAY WITH US? We are doing what Jesus told the Lawyer in Matthew 22: 35-40: " Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. ALSO: Love our neighbour as we love ourselves." What is missing??? or what are we doing wrong?
Jesus told us to " Ask and ye shall receive," then we ask God for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all Love and Joy with all around us. We keep asking God for Love and Joy, we thank God for Love and Joy, then we share all Love and Joy with our neighbour. ( Matthew 7: 7-10 Are we asking for the wrong things? should we ask for the Holy Spirit rather? tell us please, dear robbarry.
It is well known that we truly need the Holy Spirit to help and guide us, but what shall we do? Have we only to Ask and Receive? I ask this with love.
Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

"Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me" /Jesus

Kingdom of god has been explained in many ways.
If we are more interested in the explaination are we then not more interested in the self that is attached to it?
Is that not to sin?
Sin means "to miss the mark".

The problem as i see it is that we turn it into a lifestyle.
"Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it". /Jesus