What are they afraid of?

[SnuP]

Originally posted by Outspoken
[B"So we are allowed to dance in a distracting way in the presence of God, but not in a church building. Your discernment is extremely flawed and worldly. "
Again, as in the past you attack me when I disagree with you then turn around and say this is wrong to do. I disagree with you, that's the bottom line and you have provided no biblical evidience for me to believe your view. I have provided ample to show you distracting people in worship is wrong and Paul himself wrote a large section about it in his letters.[/B]

The only thing that you have shown is your lack of understanding of true worship.  We have shown you your flawed logic and your misuse of scriptures.  You have been shown plenty of scriptures on what whorsip is and how your arguements don't apply but are really just a religeous attemp to place others back under the law.  But you have not heard anything.  It would be a vanity for me to repost scriptures or other scriptures just so that you can weasle you way around them.  I am through argueing with you, Louis.  I'm through. 

The carnally minded can not understand the things of the Spirit.

 

[Outspoken]

"He also convienently left off the smiley face I had with the original statement. "

My mistake, just keeping you biblical

 

[Outspoken]

"The only thing that you have shown is your lack of understanding of true worship."

No, I have shown my understanding of scripture, something you have not done that I have seen thus far. i don't see how you can do something and then say that what the bible says doesn't matter.

"The carnally minded can not understand the things of the Spirit."

Well snup, when you are carnally minded by your own defintion, for you have not shown understanding of scripture in realtion to true worship. if you don't want to discuss, that's fine, just don't claim to be biblical

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Hey SnuP,

Did ya ever hear that song called:My Soul Escaped?

My soul escaped, like a bird, out of the snare of the fowler,
My soul escaped, like a bird, out of the snare of the fowler,
The snare is broken and I have escaped,
My help is in the name of the Lord
The snare is broken and I have escaped,
My help is in the name of the Lord.

SnuP, we can rejoice that we have been set free from all the modern day Pharasical rules and regulations. We can worship God in Spirit and in Truth. And, where the Spirt of the Lord is there is LIBERTY!

I read some of the opposing posts and think: Oh Jesus, I use to be like that.  I use to try and put and keep people in bondage like that.  Thank you Jesus, that you've set me free.  And in turn, I can help others be set free.


Love ya bro,

Quaffer

 

[SnuP]

1 Corinthians 14
26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation.

notice how he says that everyone has a word.  They all had learned to use the gifts of the Spirit and could deliver words at will.  But most of the words were being delivered for the purpose of glorifing the giver instead of God.

All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.

Individuals were so eager to speak their word that often times they tried to force others to hear what they had to say.  They had lost common curtisy in their zeal to be the most spiritual.  Paul was calling for a return of something that should have been common sence.  They displayed a lack of love for one another and discernment of the body, as clearly illistrated by the love chapter and the scripture refering to comunion.  It was every man for himself and Paul realized that there was a lack of maturity involved.  He established peramaters for how the gifts were to be used to help the church return to a time of common curtisy.

29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.

It is obvious that the disorder of everyone trying to force their word out was causing confusion and a loss of peace.  By reestablishing body eddicate he was making an atmosphere where those of the church could mature into selfless love and putting others first.

True worship does not have such selfishness and does not need correction.  None of these rules were established for true worship.  Were trueworship exist there is already proper body eddicate and discernment.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by SnuP
Individuals were so eager to speak their word that often times they tried to force others to hear what they had to say. 

Wow, if this was the only problem the church had today, we'd be doing Ok.

Now, we got people that have added so much on to the peremeters laid out by Paul that it's difficult to get people to speak because of their fear of being tarred and featherd by the modern day Pharisee.  

I'm so thankful that my Pastor incourages freedom.  I've found that those who see only dissorder, are only seeing it because it's their own life that is in dissorder.  And of course they don't want to point the finger at themselves so they point it at everyone else.

Too bad . . .they're the one's missing out. 

Thanks SnuP, you're such a blessing to me.   

Quaffer

 

[Outspoken]

"purpose of glorifing the giver instead of God. "

Not at all, to Gloify God is to strenghten the church. What I find funny is that you don't acknowledge that that passage also says that AT MOST 3 people should speak in tongues but you jump on the every has a word thing. Just my opinion

"Individuals were so eager to speak their word that often times they tried to force others to hear what they had to say. "

And I disagree. Paul is given boundries for worship. He was probably addressing a problem, yes, but that doesn't make the boundries not count anymore. You get drunk, I say to you, don't get drunk. I am addressing a specific problem you have, but that doesn't make the commandment from God not to get drunk any less all encompassing.

"It is obvious that the disorder of everyone trying to force their word out was causing confusion and a loss of peace. "

I agree, but that DOESN'T mean if you think you're mature you can be disorderly. thus the boundries paul set down for worship.

"True worship does not have such selfishness and does not need correction."

So you're perfect? If not then the boundries still count, sorry to tell you.

 

[Blindfaith]

[mod hat on]

Be kind, and if the posters here can't do that, be civil.  Please watch the tone of voice.  This is not solely directed towards any one person, or even this particular page.

Christians are suppose to be a light that attracts others, not a deterrent with harsh words.  Remember, salt of the earth.

Thank you.

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[Michie]

I'm more of a quiet person when it comes to worship.

I get much more out of teaching & prayful quiet reflection that loud rowdy worship.

We are all different.

 

[SnuP]

Originally posted by Outspoken
"purpose of glorifing the giver instead of God. "

Not at all, to Gloify God is to strenghten the church. What I find funny is that you don't acknowledge that that passage also says that AT MOST 3 people should speak in tongues but you jump on the every has a word thing. Just my opinion

"Individuals were so eager to speak their word that often times they tried to force others to hear what they had to say. "

And I disagree. Paul is given boundries for worship. He was probably addressing a problem, yes, but that doesn't make the boundries not count anymore. You get drunk, I say to you, don't get drunk. I am addressing a specific problem you have, but that doesn't make the commandment from God not to get drunk any less all encompassing.

"It is obvious that the disorder of everyone trying to force their word out was causing confusion and a loss of peace. "

I agree, but that DOESN'T mean if you think you're mature you can be disorderly. thus the boundries paul set down for worship.

"True worship does not have such selfishness and does not need correction."

So you're perfect? If not then the boundries still count, sorry to tell you.

We seem to have a basic disagreement concerning this passage.  I believe that the passage specifically addresses the use of the gifts within a service to pramote curtisy and respect for the body.  From what I gather you seem to think that the passage refers to whe whole of worship.  If this is a correct statement on your belief of this passage please show us how you have come to the conclussion that it isn't limited to what I believe.

PS.  I do agree with Paul that only three words spoken in an unknown tongue for the benifit of the body should be spoken and that they all should be interpreted.  But I do not believe that Paul was limiting the use of personal tongues for pray language.  We have already been over this issue so I don't think that it should be rehashed.

I don't think that I am perfect.  But I believe that at times my worship has been.  I do believe that I have a certain measure of maturity by which I have some authority to argue the word of God.  My pastor agrees with this acessment.  But I don't believe that my perfection (or lack of perfection), or my maturity (or lack of maturity) is an appropriate topic of discousion, because I don't believe that you have the necessary information to judge that.

 

[Outspoken]

"If this is a correct statement on your belief of this passage please show us how you have come to the conclussion that it isn't limited to what I believe."

I see no where in there it saying, "in this instance only".

"because I don't believe that you have the necessary information to judge that."

Well I have been told many a time I have the gift of teaching So where does that put us I am not saying you should be judged by that, but I am saying you are not realizing the passage is ment for all, not just some select group in corenth that is long dead. This passage outlines the boundries for worship and are as constant now as they were then. God's word doesnt' change SnuP.

 

[SnuP]

You infer too much. I never said that it has no relevence to me or my church. I believe that the passage is ment for everyone, but not ment for every part of a service. Rather I said it has no relevence to worship since it speaks specifically about the gifts. The gifts are a part of God's ministery to the Body. Worship is our ministery to God. Two very different things.

PS. I too have been called a teacher many times and been told that I have the gift, along with other things.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by SnuP
PS. I too have been called a teacher many times and been told that I have the gift, along with other things.

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[pong]I'VE GOT THE JOY, JOY, JOY, JOY, DOWN IN MY HEART [/pong]

 

[SnuP]

thanks Quaffie

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Spoiler: Hi

 

[Outspoken]

"but not ment for every part of a service. "

find me the place where it says specifically, "don't use this in worship, or in a certain part of the "service"." YOu can't and won't. why? Because it was ment for ALL of worship, not just specific parts. You're bending and twisting trying to get away from that fact SnuP. I'm sorry to tell you that you can't.


"I too have been called a teacher many times and been told that I have the gift, along with other things."

then I'd say you're misusing it, in my opinion as shown here. Your ideas aren't lining up with the text, they seem to be in stark contrast to them.

 

[SnuP]

The funny thing is that the scripture doesn't even use the word 'worship', so prove how it applies. It does say gifts. I think that that proves that you are streching the scriptures to make it fit to your mentality.

 

[Andrew]

Hey SnuP, I thot you were through with debating with Louis. *LOL

Quaffie, how did you do that? Cool!

 

[SnuP]

sometimes I just can't help my self. LOL

 

[unitedistand]

anyone ever hear that song that goes:

"When I think of his goodness and what he's done for me
When I think of his goodness and how he's set me free
I wanna shout, shout, shout, shout all day, all night"

?

How can anyone not be excited when they know what Jesus delivered them from for eternity?

 

[Outspoken]

"The funny thing is that the scripture doesn't even use the word 'worship',"

4352 proskuneo verse 25...again some proof you're not reading carefully