What are the Weaknesses of Evolution?

[Skaloop]

Spock has half-Vulcan, half-Human.

OK, so man was created in God's image. So if Adam was a Vulcan, that means God is a Vulcan. But Mary was human. Which makes Jesus half-human, half-Vulcan.

Spock is Jesus! Heck, he even sacrificed himself to save everyone else! And then came back to life!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

And this allele frequency has been shown to happen when and do what exactly? I'd like to see it happen. Can you bring about one for everyone to see?

would you like observed examples of speciation events?

 

[LittleNipper]

I thought you just said "The Bible is the literal Word of God"... something can't be metaphorical AND literal at the same time... so if the Bible contains any metaphores, it isn't ALL literal, is it?

The Bible is divided into sections. All of these sections speak the truth or expose a lie in various ways. Genesis is part of the History section of the Bible. There is a prophetic section and a section of song & poetry.
But what you said about the metaphorical is not actually true.... Let me provide an example... In Ezekiel Chapter 28, the prophecy about the king of Tyre is likened to the fall of Lucifer. Both are true or coming true, but in fact, here we have a metaphor of the king of Tyre as Lucifer or Lucifer as the king of Tyre..... So metaphors may simply be multiple meanings of the same passage and be true.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The Bible is divided into sections. All of these sections speak the truth or expose a lie in various ways. Genesis is part of the History section of the Bible. There is a prophetic section and a section of song & poetry.
But what you said about the metaphorical is not actually true.... Let me provide an example... In Ezekiel Chapter 28, the prophecy about the king of Tyre is likened to the fall of Lucifer. Both are true or coming true, but in fact, here we have a metaphor of the king of Tyre as Lucifer or Lucifer as the king of Tyre..... So metaphors may simply be multiple meanings of the same passage and be true.

no, close... but no cigar... that is merely a case of the metaphorical used to discribe a literal event...

oh wait, methinks thou ist about to tell me how the description of Lucifer's fall is a literal and exact history, right?

But semantics aside... if Creationism were literally true, why des all the evidence point to something else?

 

[Skaloop]

But what you said about the metaphorical is not actually true.... Let me provide an example... In Ezekiel Chapter 28, the prophecy about the king of Tyre is likened to the fall of Lucifer. Both are true or coming true, but in fact, here we have a metaphor of the king of Tyre as Lucifer or Lucifer as the king of Tyre..... So metaphors may simply be multiple meanings of the same passage and be true.

That's a case of something being both metaphorical and true. That's perfectly doable, and is at the heart of poetry. That's not the issue. The issue is whether something can be both metaphorical and literal. And no, it can't; the two are practically antonyms.

 

[Phred]

And this allele frequency has been shown to happen when and do what exactly? I'd like to see it happen. Can you bring about one for everyone to see?

EERO MÄNTYRANTA won two Olympic gold medals in 1964. Years later scientists found the source of the Finnish cross-country skier's endurance. A genetic mutation gave his family higher than normal levels of oxygen-carrying red blood cells--higher even than could be achieved with Epo.

Sorry, the rest of the article is no longer available to link to. But here's the blurb.

 

[LittleNipper]

would you like observed examples of speciation events?

Specalization, would seem to indicate a narrowing of abilities as opposed to a broad range or highly flexable. That doesn't sound very progressive.

 

[Skaloop]

Specalization, would seem to indicate a narrowing of abilities as opposed to a broad range or highly flexable. That doesn't sound very progressive.

Speciation. Not specialization.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Specalization, would seem to indicate a narrowing of abilities as opposed to a broad range or highly flexable. That doesn't sound very progressive.

from the mouths of babes... indeed, what I OFFER is speCIation events, yet your strawmaning of speciaLIZation events convinces me that you would be unwilling to look at any oresented evidence anyway...

specialization IS part of what evolution produces.

 

[LittleNipper]

no, close... but no cigar... that is merely a case of the metaphorical used to discribe a literal event...

oh wait, methinks thou ist about to tell me how the description of Lucifer's fall is a literal and exact history, right?

But semantics aside... if Creationism were literally true, why des all the evidence point to something else?

Your understanding of the evidence may cause you to consider an error as reality and teach others the improper techniques to achieve the very same solution ------ reinforcing the mistake....

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Your understanding of the evidence may cause you to consider an error as reality and teach others the improper techniques to achieve the very same solution ------ reinforcing the mistake....

sooo... your not going to tell me what the evidence for Creationism is, because I might misunderstand it?

 

[LittleNipper]

from the mouths of babes... indeed, what I OFFER is speCIation events, yet your strawmaning of speciaLIZation events convinces me that you would be unwilling to look at any oresented evidence anyway...

specialization IS part of what evolution produces.

"Evolution" is a modern English term that has many meanings for many different people. That does not make all of them true. Your responce seems to indicate that possibly you were never exposed to any different interpretation of "specialazation."

"Speciazation," ain't in the dictionary ---- as "ain't" ---- ain't. Perhaps another weakness of evolution, is the use of made up words that are applied to provide false cedibility to notions..

 

[EnemyPartyII]

"Evolution" is a modern English term that has many meanings for many different people. That does not make all of them true. Your responce seems to indicate that possibly you were never exposed to any different interpretation of "specilazation."

quit dodging.

we're talking about evolution in the sense that it describes a shift, in time in the allele frequency of populations... one observable example of this is specialisation... indeed, specialization can result in a speciation event. Now, I've offered to list some recently observed speciation events for you. If you are interested in genuinely trying to learn more about the matter, ask, and I will link you.

If you are going to dance around the issue with silly semantic excuses to the effect that yoou shouldn't have to look at evidence that disagrees with what you want to believe, well thats fine, but you are wasting the time of the people here who wish to genuinely exchange knowledge

 

[Tomk80]

"Speciazation," ain't in the dictionary ---- as "ain't" ---- ain't. Perhaps another weakness of evolution, is the use of made up words that are applied to provide false cedibility to notions..

speciation

–noun Biology. the formation of new species as a result of geographic, physiological, anatomical, or behavioral factors that prevent previously interbreeding populations from breeding with each other.

I'm proposing the above post of littlenipper for the "reaching new heights of stupid"-award.

 

[LittleNipper]

sooo... your not going to tell me what the evidence for Creationism is, because I might misunderstand it?

One evidence for Creationism is the lack of consistant evidence for speciazation.... Which sounds like it would mean something becoming a specie. But if the "something" is living, it must belong to a "specie" already ------ or at least a "kind."

 

[LittleNipper]

quit dodging.

we're talking about evolution in the sense that it describes a shift, in time in the allele frequency of populations... one observable example of this is specialisation... indeed, specialization can result in a speciation event. Now, I've offered to list some recently observed speciation events for you. If you are interested in genuinely trying to learn more about the matter, ask, and I will link you.

If you are going to dance around the issue with silly semantic excuses to the effect that yoou shouldn't have to look at evidence that disagrees with what you want to believe, well thats fine, but you are wasting the time of the people here who wish to genuinely exchange knowledge

Post the sites; however, EXCHANGE indicates a two way proposition and not simply indoctrination.....

 

[EnemyPartyII]

One evidence for Creationism is the lack of consistant evidence for speciazation.... Which sounds like it would mean something becoming a specie. But if the "something" is living, it must belong to a "specie" already ------ or at least a "kind."

you want the list of observed speciation events or not? that is, observed cases where a population drifts genetically that it must be considered a new specie and is incompatible with the parent population?

Or would you (as predicted) prefer to tapdance about making excuses why you can ignore the evidence?

 

[LittleNipper]

speciation

–noun Biology. the formation of new species as a result of geographic, physiological, anatomical, or behavioral factors that prevent previously interbreeding populations from breeding with each other.

I'm proposing the above post of littlenipper for the "reaching new heights of stupid"-award.

And which breed cannot be breed within a specie, making it an entirely new specie?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Post the sites; however, EXCHANGE indicates a two way proposition and not simply indoctrination.....

I've repeatedly asked for evidence that Creationism is the correct explanation to explain current biodiversity... I have yet to see any

Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Observed Instances of Speciation

Some More Observed Speciation Events

you may also be interested to research Ring species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NailsII]

Maybe it's time for the big guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg&mode=related&search=

I appreciate it's a long video, but Ken Miller is a world expert in cell biology and a theist. His evidence destroyed professor behe's theory of ID in the famous dover trial... despite the judge being a theist as well!!