That "rotation" you speak of may also explain gravity. For if you have a box full of tops all spinning in one direction, the box will have a tendency to rotate.
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That would mean that everything in the universe was created out of water, and water is formed out of energy. I also think that the universe is made up out of invisible ‘poles’, which have helixes rotating around them. These poles are random, and they exist as possibilities. The universe is based around a virtual pole, on the grand scale, but at the other end are countless billions of possibilities. As long as this universe exists, there are possibilities. When the universe is destroyed, then everything goes into chaotic nothingness, an anti-existence, where nothing is possible.
Perhaps, at the end of the Day, the light is separated from the darkness, and the sons of light will inherit the light, and the sons of darkness will inherit the darkness.
You know, I think you are exactly right on this. I have arrived at this point a few times myself.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
The earth was a formless deep dark abyss. The text seems to suggest that the waters were what was formed first, and nothing else.
We first read of them in Genesis, before the Earth was even made. Also notice that the "heavens" were created in this same chapter as the "waters" are being organized. Sometimes I think the term "waters" has another meaning, maybe something like strings or the Higgs-boson. Something that all matter has in common. If we glean information from the rest of the bible, we see the elements will be destroyed with fervent heat and dissolve, if this is the case, then there must be something common throughout the heavens that can be effected at once.
That would mean that everything in the universe was created out of water, and water is formed out of energy. I also think that the universe is made up out of invisible poles, which have helixes rotating around them. These poles are random, and they exist as possibilities. The universe is based around a virtual pole, on the grand scale, but at the other end are countless billions of possibilities. As long as this universe exists, there are possibilities. When the universe is destroyed, then everything goes into chaotic nothingness, an anti-existence, where nothing is possible.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
God said that the light was good. Notice however that God did not say that the darkness was good. So what was the darkness? It was separated from the light.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
Perhaps, at the end of the Day, the light is separated from the darkness, and the sons of light will inherit the light, and the sons of darkness will inherit the darkness.
The implication seems to be the waters are the raw unformed unorganized elements the Spirit used to create the organized world. Specifically Peter says the land was formed out of the water, and he most certainly was referring to Genesis 1:9-10.
I agree; the waters are the raw unformed unorganized elements, (water) out of which the Spirit made everything. I get the feeling that there was originally no night, only day, and twilight, thats just a hunch I suppose. I have a book by Robert Sungenis, its about the scientific evidence for a geocentric universe. The theory goes that space is no empty, it is actually a solid, (invisible) and other materials like planets are less dense objects, sitting within a solid space, a bit like the idea of space-time but with rejecting the theory of relativity altogether. Gravity is caused by the displacement of the either, by a less dense object than the either, attracting less dense material, to fill the displaced space.
About the darkness. It is a general feeling that there is more going on in the text than just a description of light and day. More like some sort of cosmic conspiracy; that there was a deal struck, perhaps with the darkness, in order for the material creation to go ahead. The darkness is where al the rubbish ends up, excluded from the light, at the end of time. 2 Peter also says that the universe will disintegrate with the elements, causing heat. Perhaps this happens because the will of God is l lifted, and everything disintegrates because there is nothing remaining to hold anything together in any order.
It depends on the meaning of ‘heaven’. Perhaps in the Genesis account, we are only talking about the sky, and outer space, as heaven, and not the supernatural realm of God, which we also confusingly call heaven. If heaven is without time, there still must have been a beginning, for the angels to have been created, and not always existing.
But here's the problem I find with the idea of a spiritual heaven. It's never mentioned in scripture. The idea of a non-geographical place called heaven is never once conveyed.
Perhaps it's a concept that seems to make sense, as angels are thought to be spiritual beings, and therefore must live in a spiritual place, but even this doesn't logically follow. Angels do just fine in the physical world, and there is nothing in scripture to suggest they are not physical beings themselves. Certainly they are different than us, but there is no mention of them being non-physical. In fact they are reported to walk on the ground, eat and drink, even get their feet washed. Depending on how you read Genesis 6, they may be able to do a whole lot more.
So, a question: If angels can exist in our physical realm, and move through it, and enjoy it, why would they need a spiritual realm? When you look at how vast the cosmos is, and how beautiful and majestic it is, why wouldn't that suffice? Do they need oxygen like us? Are they sensitive to low or high temperatures?
From everything we read in scripture heaven is a physical place. Why the need for a spiritual place, in fact, what would that even be? Our spiritual nature has to do with out will. Does the spiritual aspect of heaven have a will, and make decisions? Does scripture ever define a place as having a spiritual nature? Frankly I don't think places can be spiritual. Only individuals can.
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Yes. Here is the Genesis version with the names we are more familiar with:
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Papias!
Thank you for this diagram! I've been looking for something like this for a while and had given up hope of finding it.
The only thing I question is the 'heaven realm' above the sky waters. I think that YHWH was seen as residing in shekhi'na cloud upon the firmament (also one of the reasons why he was associated with mountains, but there is another major significance to mountains), rather that an upper realm somewhere.
In Mesopotamian cosmology you don't find anything beyond the saltwaters, either.
The only thing I question is the 'heaven realm' above the sky waters. I think that YHWH was seen as residing in shekhi'na cloud upon the firmament
Papias!
Thank you for this diagram! I've been looking for something like this for a while and had given up hope of finding it.
In Job it describes God as "walking on the firmament", though in some translations this is changed to make it sound more modern.
This article on the Firmament as a dome holding back the celestial waters is pertinent:
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted...s/Text/Articles-Books/Seely-Firmament-WTJ.pdf
A diagram of the Near-Eastern cosmology utilized in Genesis:
The Genesis version has underworld beneath the earth (presumably sheol?) while the Sumerian has Ap-au primordial freshwater sea and says the earth contains the underworld Ki-gal. Have a look at the description of the promised land in Deu 8:7 For the LORD thy God bringeth thee into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and depths, springing forth in valleys and hills. The depths that are a source of freshwater springs is tehom the abyss or deep, source of the fountain of the deep in the flood, which we first meet in Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters. Hebrew cosmology had a freshwater abyss underneath the earth too.Cappadocius-
Yes. Here is the Genesis version with the names we are more familiar with:
Papias
That is, however, how the Hebrews understood it.I have read the scripture many times and never saw the heavens as a solid dome.
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