What are the stars ?

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Angels in some cases - like Rev 12 where Satan drew 1/3 of the stars -- 1/3 of the angels
Angels in the case of "morning stars sang together"
But not angels in Gen 1 where God is said to be the one that created the stars - that give us the sign of seasons.
also not angels in your 1 Cor 15 quote - where it is real stars like the moon is the real moon.

However in Gen 1 - on day 4 God (who is the creator of the stars) only created two lights on day 4, namely the sun and the moon as the text says. He did not create a zillion and two lights on day 4.

Oh? In what way does 'He made the stars' not mean He made the stars on the day in question?

 

[Diamond72]

Oh? In what way does 'He made the stars' not mean He made the stars on the day in question?

In a scientific sense, new stars are constantly being born in regions of space known as stellar nurseries. These are vast clouds of gas and dust where gravity pulls material together to form new stars. This process has been ongoing for billions of years and continues today.

 

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In a scientific sense, new stars are constantly being born in regions of space known as stellar nurseries.

That is not related to creating the universe by speaking it into existence. No more than a baby being born is something that tells us about the creation of Adam

These are vast clouds of gas and dust where gravity pulls material together to form new stars. This process has been ongoing for billions of years and continues today.

No. All processes anywhere in the universe started after God created the universe in the same week that He created Adam. Your naturalonlydunnit beliefs are noted.

 

[Diamond72]

creating the universe by speaking it into existence.

Yes, according to the Bible, God created the universe through His word. This concept is beautifully captured in the opening chapter of Genesis:

• Genesis 1:3: "And God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light."
• Genesis 1:6: "And God said, 'Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.'"
• Genesis 1:9: "And God said, 'Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.' And it was so."

This pattern continues throughout the creation narrative, illustrating the power and authority of God's spoken word. This act of divine creation underscores the idea that God's word is not only creative but also authoritative and sustaining.

• Isaiah 55:11: "So is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it."
• Jeremiah 1:12: "The Lord said to me, 'You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.'"
• Psalm 119:89-90: "Your word, Lord, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens. Your faithfulness continues through all generations; you established the earth, and it endures."

 

[truthpls]

Yes, according to the Bible, God created the universe through His word. This concept is beautifully captured in the opening chapter of Genesis:

• Genesis 1:3: "And God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light."
• Genesis 1:6: "And God said, 'Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.'"
• Genesis 1:9: "And God said, 'Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.' And it was so."

This pattern continues throughout the creation narrative, illustrating the power and authority of God's spoken word. This act of divine creation underscores the idea that God's word is not only creative but also authoritative and sustaining.

• Isaiah 55:11: "So is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it."
• Jeremiah 1:12: "The Lord said to me, 'You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.'"
• Psalm 119:89-90: "Your word, Lord, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens. Your faithfulness continues through all generations; you established the earth, and it endures."

So people looking at natural processes in rocks or stars or anywhere in the created universe would have no hope of using those to know how it got here. All they do, in effect, is make a statement of faith that there was nothing else but the natural at work ever. Or to put it another way, a statement of faith that there is no God.

 

[Diamond72]

So people looking at natural processes in rocks or stars or anywhere in the created universe would have no hope of using those to know how it got here.

Theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creation, is the belief that the process of evolution is guided or directed by a Divine being (God). It seeks to harmonize scientific understanding of biological evolution with religious beliefs in a Creator.

 

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Theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creation, is the belief that the process of evolution is guided or directed by a Divine being (God).

A process that opposes what Scripture says. The bible does not say God created Adam by a process. Or Eve. The way He did it was fast and total. His process was to form man from the ground like a potter forms clay. Then He gave the man life. Then He knocked the guy out and operated on him. Then He created the first woman on the planet from a body part of the man. Anyone claiming that this means a woman actually was first born from an animal that had evolved to look like mankind at last and later man was born from her is not harmonizing anything. They are blaspheming.

It seeks to harmonize scientific understanding of biological evolution with religious beliefs in a Creator.

Choose.