What are the Earthly Advantages of Being a Christian ?

[franky67]

true for the apostles? yes, wether this command was meant for every believer is up for debate.

I find no scriptural record of anyone doing such things other than the apostles and those touched by them.

If it was meant for us, I'd say the churh has serious problems!!

It was, and we have.

Think about it, did the apostles have a different Holy Spirit than we do ?

Has God Changed, the word to the Apostles is the word to us.

"And these signs will accompany those who have believed, in My name they will ............ lay hands on the sick and they will recover."

The Church has dropped the ball

 

[JimfromOhio]

It was, and we have.

Think about it, did the apostles have a different Holy Spirit than we do ?

Has God Changed, the word to the Apostles is the word to us.

"And these signs will accompany those who have believed, in My name they will ............ lay hands on the sick and they will recover."

The Church has dropped the ball

You’ll never be healed physically by being given the glorified body of Christ, like Christ unless you’ve been healed of your sin. I have been forgiven all my sin and I know that. I have been delivered from the power of sin, from it’s ability, I’ve been delivered from the penalty of sin, its ability to control my life, and, yet, I’m dying from the effect of sin. I could say it the same in the physical. I have been given a healing. Physically, I will, one day, be perfect in a glorified body, and yet my body is still dying, until I get to that other world and realize the full significance of His atoning work.

 

[mc01svt]

It was, and we have.

Think about it, did the apostles have a different Holy Spirit than we do ?

Has God Changed, the word to the Apostles is the word to us.

"And these signs will accompany those who have believed, in My name they will ............ lay hands on the sick and they will recover."

The Church has dropped the ball

Do you actually believe that the ENTIRE CHURCH has DROPPED THE BALL for over 2 millenia?

notice verse 19.......

Mark 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

was he speaking to the entire church or just the 11. I find it very interesting that the scripture clearly uses the word them. Why not just "The Lord Jesus had spoken"

I do not believe that every scripture in the bible addresses every believer.

Luke 9:60 Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."

Is this a a commandment for ALL believers to never attend funerals or was he just talking to that particular person?

 

[DreamerOfDreams]

so I guess %99.9 of the church is in disobendience.

If you know any of those in the %.1 please give me their contact info. Many are in need.......

I have a hunch that says you don't anyone performing such miracles, and neither does anyone else on this board. If it were so there would be no controversy on this.

Hey..... you will get along real well with many on this board.
They deny the word too!

 

[JimfromOhio]

Hey..... you will get along real well with many on this board.
They deny the word too!

Actually, deny the doctrines that you believe in.

 

[mc01svt]

Hey..... you will get along real well with many on this board.
They deny the word too!

I believe the word is eternally true and without error. Please as respect for another believer don't tell me that I deny the word.

If Jesus says something that doesn't match reality, I believe I misunderstood Jesus not that Jesus was wrong.

So I present you with a question, can reality ever overcome the word of God? We both know it can't. "The word will never return to him void." If virtually no one in 2000yrs has experienced earthly "abundant" life then I must conclude Jesus was talking about heaven.

But, I'm only human and could possibly be wrong. If I am please demonstrate the "authority of the believer" and show me great signs and wonders and how I can appropiate abundant life hear on this earth.

 

[psalms 91]

true for the apostles? yes, wether this command was meant for every believer is up for debate.

I find no scriptural record of anyone doing such things other than the apostles and those touched by them.

If it was meant for us, I'd say the churh has serious problems!!

The church does have serious problems! Right on! Do you think God changed the sabbeth or did the church? The sabbeth is Saturday. Did God change His requirements in the covenants? No. Did God not say to keep four feasts forever and do we or do we run from anything Jewish as a church? What are our roots? Yes the church iis very wrong and in these last days right is wrong and wrong is right so you tell me and as for seeing these things there is a remant being raised up that you surely will see in this country because in other countries they are seeing it.

 

[lismore]

If we are, then how is the abundant life as promised by Jesus in John 10:10, any different than the unabundant life?

We have everything in Jesus Christ and everything is totally different right now compared to an unbeliever.

We have every spiritual blessing in Jesus Christ (Eph 1:3). Health, temporal abundance, love, grace, mercy, favour, hope, peace, joy, satisfaction!

We have eternal life now and will not be condemned (John 5:24).

Eternal life does not start when you die, it starts when you accept Christ.

 

[psalms 91]

"miss the voice of the spirit"
The Lord is fully capable of communicating with us. He is not an ant with a tiny voice that is very hard to hear. The Lord spoke through audible voices, burning bushes, angels and other means. I seriously doubt that the church has "miss the voice of the spirit" for over 2000yrs.

"we are disobedient"
Who wouldn't want to heal the sick, cast out demons and raise the death. This would save us a great deal of heartache in our lives. Again, I don't think that %99.9 of the church is in direct defiance of the word. We simply don't do this because we can't not because we won't.

"lack of understanding jewish things"
This is not a requirement of gentile believers. Paul preached against this. I can eat pork, go uncircumsised and still be in right standing with God because of the Blood of Jesus, not Jewish customs/things.

these are just more excuses to deny reality. The reality is very few experience "abundant life" here on the planet and very few perform miraculous signs and wonders.

Either Jesus was talking about heaven or he wasn't there is no in between because of this or that reason. Do not add to the word, John 10:10 has absolutely no conditional statements attached to it.

I have come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly if.................

Yes He is but are most listening? If so why ios it that most do not hear Him I am aware that God communicates
Why cant the church do this? Is it because we are not in communication or obedience? Is it because before God uses us in big ways He sees if we will listen in little ways, if we will study Hiss Word and learn what we are called to do by His word? No not all really want to do it because it requires a lot less of them and a lot more of God.We are not under Jewish law or any law other than spiritual but shouldnt we understand who God gave the law to and who he spoke to according to their understanding, and who Jesus ministered to according to their understanding and not ours, Paul was a pharasee so he understood it p[erfectly. Do not need to add to the wortd of God, God does pretty good at teraching if you search the Old Testament and find out why things worked or didnt.

 

[psalms 91]

Do you actually believe that the ENTIRE CHURCH has DROPPED THE BALL for over 2 millenia?

notice verse 19.......

Mark 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

was he speaking to the entire church or just the 11. I find it very interesting that the scripture clearly uses the word them. Why not just "The Lord Jesus had spoken"

I do not believe that every scripture in the bible addresses every believer.

Luke 9:60 Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."

Is this a a commandment for ALL believers to never attend funerals or was he just talking to that particular person?

Hmmm I guess where it says that God is no respector of persons isnt true then. If you walk the same walk spiritually and are close to God then you can be an Elijah or a Moses or an apostle and yes jealing and all the rest are for today not just for them. Funny how miracvles happen every day somewhere but is the church shouting and rejoicing in what Gods is doing?

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

Do Christians have a safer, or more pleasant life while here on earth, or are we subject to exactly the same pains and sorrows as the unsaved ?

If we are, then how is the abundant life as promised by Jesus in John 10:10, any different than the unabundant life?

I think we have earthly advantages as well as spiritual. I think that they earthly interwine with the spiritual.We have eternal life in the spirit even though we may die in the natural were still alive just your shell dies the shell being your flesh. While we are here we do go through, but the way we go through it and how we come out of it is different. We have someone we can go to about our situations and tribulations in our lives. We also get the chance to experience peace. I think sometimes we go through this alittle better and easier b/c of the mercy and grace of being a christian.Some things they go through we won't ever have to deal with.