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what are the differences between Catholic and Protestant?

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For the record, as a Protestant, I believe God effects salvation through His Sacraments too.

So do many Protestants.

And both Catholics and Protestants believe salvation is a supernatural miracle from God, God's gift to us, by His grace and His loving action toward us.

The fundamental difference is over Justification and Sanctification, Catholics believe the two are coterminous, whereas there is a very sharp distinction between the two in the theology of the Reformation. Additionally, the role of human action in Justification is different: In Catholic theology Justification is a process which man is an active participant in through cooperation with God's grace through faith evident and active in a life dedicated to obedience and love toward God (what we usually call "good works") and thus human will is a partner in God's gracious and loving act to justify us and save us. In the historic teaching of Protestantism, Justification is something wholly apart from human cooperation, will or effort but a free and unmerited act of God by grace acting alone through faith alone (itself a gift from God apart from the work or effort or will of man), and thus man is unable to cooperate or become an active agent in this divine act of God which He does freely by His own will through the means He has established (namely, His Word and Sacraments).

Fundamentally, as far as Justification is concerned, the usual Evangelical model of "accepting Christ" is foreign to the historic Protestant position and is, in fact, closer to the Catholic model insofar as it makes man an active participant and cooperator with God in Justification by saying that man must exercise his will.

That is to say, for example, that coming from a Lutheran position, the standard Evangelical model and the Catholic model are, substantially not very different at all. The heart of the theology of the Reformation in regard to Justification has as much a problem with the standard Evangelical model as with the Catholic model. And, yes, that was at the heart of the Reformation, everything else is--more or less--completely peripheral.

That said, while there are most definitely significant disagreements between Catholics and Protestants over Justification--they are not minor differences that we can simply brush aside as though they aren't vitally important--the level of anti-Catholic sentiment that some ill-informed or sometimes just plain malicious Protestants have, the fact of the matter is that Roman Catholics and Protestants are both Christians in the full sense of the term. We confess the same God, the same Christ, the same Creed and share in the same Baptism which unites us in common to our same Lord Jesus.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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For the record, as a Protestant, I believe God effects salvation through His Sacraments too.

So do many Protestants.

And both Catholics and Protestants believe salvation is a supernatural miracle from God, God's gift to us, by His grace and His loving action toward us.

The fundamental difference is over Justification and Sanctification, Catholics believe the two are coterminous, whereas there is a very sharp distinction between the two in the theology of the Reformation. Additionally, the role of human action in Justification is different: In Catholic theology Justification is a process which man is an active participant in through cooperation with God's grace through faith evident and active in a life dedicated to obedience and love toward God (what we usually call "good works") and thus human will is a partner in God's gracious and loving act to justify us and save us. In the historic teaching of Protestantism, Justification is something wholly apart from human cooperation, will or effort but a free and unmerited act of God by grace acting alone through faith alone (itself a gift from God apart from the work or effort or will of man), and thus man is unable to cooperate or become an active agent in this divine act of God which He does freely by His own will through the means He has established (namely, His Word and Sacraments).

Fundamentally, as far as Justification is concerned, the usual Evangelical model of "accepting Christ" is foreign to the historic Protestant position and is, in fact, closer to the Catholic model insofar as it makes man an active participant and cooperator with God in Justification by saying that man must exercise his will.

That is to say, for example, that coming from a Lutheran position, the standard Evangelical model and the Catholic model are, substantially not very different at all. The heart of the theology of the Reformation in regard to Justification has as much a problem with the standard Evangelical model as with the Catholic model. And, yes, that was at the heart of the Reformation, everything else is--more or less--completely peripheral.

That said, while there are most definitely significant disagreements between Catholics and Protestants over Justification--they are not minor differences that we can simply brush aside as though they aren't vitally important--the level of anti-Catholic sentiment that some ill-informed or sometimes just plain malicious Protestants have, the fact of the matter is that Roman Catholics and Protestants are both Christians in the full sense of the term. We confess the same God, the same Christ, the same Creed and share in the same Baptism which unites us in common to our same Lord Jesus.

-CryptoLutheran


Finally someone who actually understands the differences. I agree with you CryptoLutheran. :amen::thumbsup::clap:
 
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Additionally, the role of human action in Justification is different: In Catholic theology Justification is a process which man is an active participant in through cooperation with God's grace through faith evident and active in a life dedicated to obedience and love toward God (what we usually call "good works") and thus human will is a partner in God's gracious and loving act to justify us and save us. In the historic teaching of Protestantism, Justification is something wholly apart from human cooperation, will or effort but a free and unmerited act of God by grace acting alone through faith alone (itself a gift from God apart from the work or effort or will of man), and thus man is unable to cooperate or become an active agent in this divine act of God which He does freely by His own will through the means He has established (namely, His Word and Sacraments).

If the Catholic's faith and works are themselves products of God's grace, and the Protestant agrees faith is itself a product of God's grace, then where is the "very sharp distinction"? Also, can you clarify how in Protestant thought justification is "wholly apart from human cooperation" and yet the person having "faith" is a key component?
 
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If the Catholic's faith and works are themselves products of God's grace, and the Protestant agrees faith is itself a product of God's grace, then where is the "very sharp distinction"? Also, can you clarify how in Protestant thought justification is "wholly apart from human cooperation" and yet the person having "faith" is a key component?

Faith being apart from human activity, created by God and given by God; as opposed to faith being part of human activity. Faith, at least in the theology of the Reformation, is wholly outside human activity, it's alien.

And I think that is an important distinction between the original Protestant theology and Catholic theology, the role of human will or cooperation with God in our justification. Lutherans and Calvinists say that there is no role for human will or cooperation with God in our justification.

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IMO...


1. The RC denomination currently has a lot of unique dogmas not proclaimed as such in Prortestantism (and often not in Orthodoxy either)....

2. The RC denomination sees the church as essentially itself - with a LOT of emphasis on Christianity as a "visible" institutional denomination: itself. It's not absolute,it also has a sense of Christians as people and of the one, holy, catholic communion of saints but this is entirely overwhelmed by a sense of Christianity as a powerful, institutional denomination: itself.

3. The RC denomination passionately embraces full and immediate accountability for doctrines taught, but it makes one absolute exception: itself. It insists that what itself teaches (in some cases, anyway) is simply to be embraced with docilic submission to itself as unto God.

I hope that helps.


Pax


- Josiah
 
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Faith being apart from human activity, created by God and given by God; as opposed to faith being part of human activity. Faith, at least in the theology of the Reformation, is wholly outside human activity, it's alien.

And I think that is an important distinction between the original Protestant theology and Catholic theology, the role of human will or cooperation with God in our justification. Lutherans and Calvinists say that there is no role for human will or cooperation with God in our justification.

-CryptoLutheran
Catholics teach that the very capacity to assent is from God too. So what's the real difference between a Catholic teaching faith/works as gifts from God and a Protestant teaching faith as a gift from God? I am not seeing one offered. I think there may be a misunderstanding that you think Catholics teach pelagianism---that justification is a human response of man's own accord without God's prompt or grace.
 
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A started as a non-denominational Christian, became an ardenly anti-Catholic pentecostal, wandered for a bit but found that the Catholics sure read a lot of scripture at Church and fell in love with the Mass but couldn't get all of what Catholicism teaches, so I became Lutheran because of the liturgy, the belief in the Real Presence among other reasons I had for not becoming Reformed. At any rate, here's my two cents:

The number one difference between most Protestant denominations and the Catholic Church is simply one of Authority. The Catholic Church holds to three sources of Divine Revelation (Sacred Scripture, Apostolic Tradition and the Teaching Office of the Church) with the Pope as the visible head of the Church. There is what most people recognize as the Catholic Church, the Latin Rite as well as, something like 23, Eastern and Oriental sui juris Catholic Churches but all are in communion and recognize the Primacy and supreme authority of the Bishop of Rome. This creates a very strong unity. While a Catholic of the Latin Rite may have different devotions and liturgical practices than our Eastern brethren, we share the same Dogma, if understood through different lenses.

In addition:

Teachings on Mary...which are all Christological definitions based on His relationship to His blessed mother - Mother of God, Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, Assumption into heaven

The nature, power and number of the Sacraments (Baptism, Holy Communion, Confirmation, Confession, Anointing of the Sick, Matrimony and Holy Orders). Some Protestants acknowledge 2 sacraments -- Baptism and Communion. Catholic Church recognizes that Protestants have 2 valid Sacraments celebrated by ANY Christian -- Baptism and Matrimony).

The ministerial priesthood (no priesthood, no Mass, no Holy Communion, no Confession, etc.).

Justification and its relation to Sanctification.

Free-will

The sacrificial nature of the Mass. Simply put, it's not Christ being immolated over and over, it's a re-presentation of Calvary. Being a sci-fi buff, I got that easy...it has to do with temporal mechanics. ;)

I hope this helps! :)
 
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Well for starters the RCC teaches that when you die you go to purgatory to suffer for awhile. The reason one must suffer is because Christ's blood was just not quite as powerful as what the bible teaches it is so to atone for those sins he must burn for awhile. Of course this time in purgatory can be shortened by the family by donating lots and lots of $$$ to the church.

Indulgences are another way to shorten time in purgatory. These were quietly reintroduced in 2001 by then Pope JP II. Of course the "official" church position is they are not for sale BUT "charitable contributions" are glady accepted. If the local priest spoke english I would be tempted to ask him if he would make arrangements to provide me with an indulgence for a charitable contribution of $10,000. My best guess is he would be very happy to accomodate, but of course I'm sure he would tell me they are not for sale.

LST

I have a copy of the official book on Indulgences and I see nothing about charitable contributions therein. I have seen a cool one, though...one can renew their baptismal vows on the anniversary of the baptism and, if they meet the conditons, they obtain a plenary indulgence. If one asks for a mass to be said for someone in purgatory, a stipend of around $10 or $15 is requested. Hardly a way to become rich. ;)
 
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If you want to know doctrinal differences, hold on to your hat...Probaly the biggest ones are both stances on Justification, the Eucharist vs. The Lord's Supper(some denominations), where Mary and the Saints stand in the two denominations, Scripture vs. Scripture & Tradition, whether or not there is a Purgatory... There are so many more differences that split off of these topics, but I'd really suggest taking one topic at a time. It's a huge HUGE area to look into.
 
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I thought you served God the ' apostles' ' way and we served God 'God's way' ;)


Notice: This is not my opinion...I'm just stating what was said to me.

I have a friend that is an ExCatholic and she put it this way,"I wish I could go back to the Catholic Church...the Pope does all the thinking for you..." So, is it safe to say, "Catholics serve God the pope's way"?
 
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Notice: This is not my opinion...I'm just stating what was said to me.

I have a friend that is an ExCatholic and she put it this way,"I wish I could go back to the Catholic Church...the Pope does all the thinking for you..." So, is it safe to say, "Catholics serve God the pope's way"?
maybe ex-catholics are not the best people to ask about what the Catholic Church is like
 
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maybe ex-catholics are not the best people to ask about what the Catholic Church is like


I understand your view, like maybe ex-protestants are not the best people to ask about what their Protestant Church was like. I guess that could go both ways, but I think you can get an ex-whatever's opinion on what it was like for them. I don't see anything wrong with people stating their opinion, that's why they are "opinions", they might not be fact.
 
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I understand your view, like maybe ex-protestants are not the best people to ask about what their Protestant Church was like. I guess that could go both ways, but I think you can get an ex-whatever's opinion on what it was like for them. I don't see anything wrong with people stating their opinion, that's why they are "opinions", they might not be fact.
fair enough
 
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