What are some logical, alternative interpretations or ways of understanding...

[Neogaia777]

As a man thinketh, or believeth in his heart, so it "can", and not only "can" but "will", and "if" he truly believes enough, (or becomes "fully convinced" beyond any shed of doubt...) It "will", (usually only through a belief in a much higher power than himself), it will "become so" for him, or "actually happen" that way for that person...

I am about to create a post on "The power of Belief" expounding on this subject, I'll post the link when I do...

God Bless!

The Power of Belief... See here...

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ll-he-really-find-faith-in-the-earth.7966847/

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[Luke17:37]

How do you "define" literal...?

God Bless!

God really did everything He said as He said it. He created the heavens and earth (and everything in them) in six ordinary days and on the seventh day He rested, giving us a model for our seven day week (and a day of rest which points to Jesus and the spiritual rest He provides). See Exodus 20:11.

Genesis is straightforward history.

 

[MasonP]

As a man thinketh, or believeth in his heart, so it "can", and not only "can" but "will", and "if" he truly believes enough, (or becomes "fully convinced" beyond any shed of doubt...) It "will", (usually only through a belief in a much higher power than himself), it will "become so" for him, or "actually happen" that way for that person...

If there is a higher power it's keeping itself well hidden, it's conspicuous by it's absence.
People can think or believe whatever they like but it will change nothing in reality, what about the people who think or believe the exact opposite to you?

 

[MasonP]

Genesis is literally true.

Is that what they told you?

 

[MasonP]

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[MasonP]

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[MasonP]

God really did everything He said as He said it.

Men said it not God, you believe the men who said God said it.

 

[Neogaia777]

God really did everything He said as He said it. He created the heavens and earth (and everything in them) in six ordinary days and on the seventh day He rested, giving us a model for our seven day week (and a day of rest which points to Jesus and the spiritual rest He provides). See Exodus 20:11.

Genesis is straightforward history.

(2 Peter 3:8) "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day "is as" a thousand years, and a thousand years "is as" one day.

(Psalms 90:4) "For a thousand years in Your sight, Are "like" yesterday when it is past, And "like" a watch in the night."

It says, a thousand years "is as" or is "like" (a "day", or "yesterday" or "a night" or "watch in the night") A "Night" is not even a complete day... And, where it says "is as" or is "like" it is only "likening" a day or night to a thousand years of ours, and the fact that it says "is as" or is "like" may or may not mean "literally", or exactly "like", because he is only "likening" one of his days or a night of his, which is not even an "entire day", to a thousand years of ours...

At any rate, scripturally, a literal six days of ours, as we know or define literal currently, a literal six days, is out, I hate to say, scripturally, Biblically...

Nor do I think we can take it to mean a "literal" (the way we currently define literal anyway) Anyways, a literal "thousand years" of ours either, because it says "as is" and is "like", also a complete day (day and night) is not literally the same as a "night" nor is one day the same as say, half a day....

It all amounts to this: "It is not six days of ours..." And, "No one can know the "exact length", or time period, of "one of his days", with precision...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Men said it not God, you believe the men who said God said it.

Oh, but God did say it, it is "how" he said what he said to people, for he communicates in many different ways to people, sometimes an audible, literal, "voice", sometimes in a vision, or a dream, sometimes a "feeling" from within... Sometimes, something so big and so great, that is so "beyond you", that you know, that you know, that you know, it "has to be him", or a spirit from/by him operating through you... (what we would call an "inspired" idea, concept, or thoughts) so big and so great, that is so "beyond you", that you know, that you know, that you know, it "has to be him", or a spirit from/by him operating through you...

I Believe a great deal of what mankind "thinks" is "from him", actually does not, and did not come from, him alone... That we are not actually the ones controlling our world, that it is all our "vanity" and a delusion of ours... But, that is a whole other (another) story that I already posted about elsewhere...

God Bless!

 

[Luke17:37]

(2 Peter 3:8) "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day "is as" a thousand years, and a thousand years "is as" one day.

(Psalms 90:4) "For a thousand years in Your sight, Are "like" yesterday when it is past, And "like" a watch in the night."

It says, a thousand years "is as" or is "like" (a "day", or "yesterday" or "a night" or "watch in the night") A "Night" is not even a complete day... And, where it says "is as" or is "like" it is only "likening" a day or night to a thousand years of ours, and the fact that it says "is as" or is "like" may or may not mean "literally", or exactly "like", because he is only "likening" one of his days or a night of his, which is not even an "entire day", to a thousand years of ours...

At any rate, scripturally, a literal six days of ours, as we know or define literal currently, a literal six days, is out, I hate to say, scripturally, Biblically...

Nor do I think we can take it to mean a "literal" (the way we currently define literal anyway) Anyways, a literal "thousand years" of ours either, because it says "as is" and is "like", also a complete day (day and night) is not literally the same as a "night" nor is one day the same as say, half a day....

It all amounts to this: "It is not six days of ours..." And, "No one can know the "exact length", or time period, of "one of his days", with precision...

God Bless!

You just took 2 Peter 3:8 out of context. Read 2 Peter 3:3-9.

Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:11 are crystal clear. They are ordinary days. Notice that God talks about the heavenly bodies being created to help man tell the passage of seasons and years (on day 4).

I recommend The Lie: Evolution and Millions of Years. It's actually very important. https://answersingenesis.org/store/product/lie-25th-anniversary-edition/?sku=10-2-418

Rejecting God's clear word about the beginning--concerning God's creation and the worldwide flood--provides a foundation for rejecting God's clear word about the end--the literal, bodily return of Jesus Christ. I urge you to believe the Bible completely.

 

[Luke17:37]

Men said it not God, you believe the men who said God said it.

I believe the Bible is a supernatural book. It is God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16)--the Holy Spirit is responsible for every word. If it were man's word, it would contradict itself. If it were man's word, its many prophecies wouldn't be mostly fulfilled (yet very few remain). If it were man's word, it could be proven wrong by its claims. However, "the more they dig out of the ground, the more the Bible proves to be right!" (Lon Solomon).

I recommend the film Undaunted: The Early Life of Josh McDowell (available on Netflix).

 

[MasonP]

I believe the Bible is a supernatural book. It is God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16)--the Holy Spirit is responsible for every word. If it were man's word, it would contradict itself. If it were man's word, its many prophecies wouldn't be mostly fulfilled (yet very few remain). If it were man's word, it could be proven wrong by its claims. However, "the more they dig out of the ground, the more the Bible proves to be right!" (Lon Solomon).

OK if that's what you want to believe.

 

[Neogaia777]

You just took 2 Peter 3:8 out of context. Read 2 Peter 3:3-9.

Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:11 are crystal clear. They are ordinary days. Notice that God talks about the heavenly bodies being created to help man tell the passage of seasons and years (on day 4).

I recommend The Lie: Evolution and Millions of Years. It's actually very important. https://answersingenesis.org/store/product/lie-25th-anniversary-edition/?sku=10-2-418

Rejecting God's clear word about the beginning--concerning God's creation and the worldwide flood--provides a foundation for rejecting God's clear word about the end--the literal, bodily return of Jesus Christ. I urge you to believe the Bible completely.

I read the scriptures you provided and read your post several times to make sure I got it right... "Nothing" contradicts or goes against what I said in my post or believe... The six days are not like our six days, and none of the scripture you provided refutes or goes against or changes that... Perhaps you might explain "why" you think they do...?

I believe the Bible completely, thank you very much, my beliefs just happen to differ from yours... It is my opinion that you and those like you do, and are actually the ones rejecting the truth of scripture, but I'm not going to argue, for it would take too long and too much to explain, and, even if I did, I highly doubt you'd actually listen anyway, or be willing to change or alter any of your preconceived ideas and opinions (opinions, not truth)...

Anyway, the fact that you and those like you have probably been unwilling to alter or change or "risk" any of your preconceived "opinions" or ideas, means that you were unwilling to take any "risks" or go through any dangers in search of the "real truth" for the Lord (and remain deceived)...

Having no spiritual interpretations or knowledge of really "any" spiritual things, or things meant to be discerned spiritually or have a spiritual meaning...

Anyways, sorry... We'll just have to agree to disagree, OK?

At any rate, I believe in the creation account, I believe in the flood, I believe in the lords return in an actual, visible to the eye, body... In short, I Believe the Bible, all of it, my belief about it, just happens to differ from yours...

Thanks for your concern, just know that I am just as equally, and likewise, concerned about you and others like you... I apologize for the way I express it...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

If there is a higher power it's keeping itself well hidden, it's conspicuous by it's absence.
People can think or believe whatever they like but it will change nothing in reality, what about the people who think or believe the exact opposite to you?

It's actually "here", but spirit can not be "seen" in the way we think of "seeing"... God showed and proved himself to the point of exhaustion and even death and showed his power over death and it did nothing, "why" should he show himself now or try to prove anything more, especially if it's pointless...

Elighten me, on what people "think" or "believe" the exact opposite of me? Does what they think or believe opposite of me; has it been helpful or useful to them? Has it benefited them? Can it save them? Or are things pretty much going the way they have always gone, in the rise and fall of nations and empires, and endless cycle of destruction and suffering and misery and pain? Do you think they can change it?, alone, all by themselves...? How has that been working for them so far...?

God Bless!

 

[juvenissun]

What are some logical, alternative interpretations or explanations or ways of understanding and comprehending in a logical, explainable way, other than literal, the Creation account, Adam & Eve and the Garden of Eden, up to whatever point you choose in the Beginnings of Genesis, what are some logical, alternative interpretations or ways of understanding and comprehending in a logical, explainable way, other than literal, the beginnings of Genesis...

Ideas? Theories? On logical alternative explanations or ways of understanding or explaining it other than literal...?

T.E.'s please offer your theories...?

God Bless!

A literal understanding is the most logical, and is the richest.
ANY other interpretation will reduce the content and the meaning.

 

[MasonP]

It's actually "here", but spirit can not be "seen" in the way we think of "seeing"... God showed and proved himself to the point of exhaustion and even death and showed his power over death and it did nothing, "why" should he show himself now or try to prove anything more, especially if it's pointless...

You don't "know" any of that, you just read it in an old book.

The most important message in the history of the world and we must take it on faith as to whether it's true or not, it all smells a bit fishy to me, it's more than likely a con trick.

 

[RickG]

God really did everything He said as He said it. He created the heavens and earth (and everything in them) in six ordinary days and on the seventh day He rested, giving us a model for our seven day week (and a day of rest which points to Jesus and the spiritual rest He provides). See Exodus 20:11.

Genesis is straightforward history.

Then that would make God a deceiver.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.

Which one is it? Did ONE man sin, or did ALL man sin?
It's one or the other.

Obvious self-contradiction is an obvious self-contradiction. In the very same sentence, of all things.

An evolving population directly contradiction the one man statement made by Paul.

Unless you go for the second part of the sentence, which states that "all" men sinned, which would be the entire population.

There is also a second verse that support the "one man"

1st Cor 15:21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.

"There can be only one" - Duncan Macleod

 

[Neogaia777]

You don't "know" any of that, you just read it in an old book.

The most important message in the history of the world and we must take it on faith as to whether it's true or not, it all smells a bit fishy to me, it's more than likely a con trick.

I swear, I'm not trying to "con" you at all, and, I didn't just "read it in an old book" But, I "experienced it" to the point of being unable to deny it with many experiencial proofs and evidence, that I tried hard to push away, reject, and deny, but became "undeniable", in the end...

God Bless!

 

[Luke17:37]

I read the scriptures you provided and read your post several times to make sure I got it right... "Nothing" contradicts or goes against what I said in my post or believe... The six days are not like our six days, and none of the scripture you provided refutes or goes against or changes that... Perhaps you might explain "why" you think they do...?

I believe the Bible completely, thank you very much, my beliefs just happen to differ from yours... It is my opinion that you and those like you do, and are actually the ones rejecting the truth of scripture, but I'm not going to argue, for it would take too long and too much to explain, and, even if I did, I highly doubt you'd actually listen anyway, or be willing to change or alter any of your preconceived ideas and opinions (opinions, not truth)...

Anyway, the fact that you and those like you have probably been unwilling to alter or change or "risk" any of your preconceived "opinions" or ideas, means that you were unwilling to take any "risks" or go through any dangers in search of the "real truth" for the Lord (and remain deceived)...

Having no spiritual interpretations or knowledge of really "any" spiritual things, or things meant to be discerned spiritually or have a spiritual meaning...

Anyways, sorry... We'll just have to agree to disagree, OK?

At any rate, I believe in the creation account, I believe in the flood, I believe in the lords return in an actual, visible to the eye, body... In short, I Believe the Bible, all of it, my belief about it, just happens to differ from yours...

Thanks for your concern, just know that I am just as equally, and likewise, concerned about you and others like you... I apologize for the way I express it...

God Bless!

The days of Genesis 1 are composed dark and light, night and day, with cardinal numbers... just like our days today are composed of a period of darkness and a period of light. In six days God created the heavens and earth (Genesis 1:1) the sea and all that is in them (Genesis 1:1-Genesis 1:31). On the seventh day God rested, giving us a pattern for our 7 day week (which persists even today).

Millions of years (a non-literal reading of the days of creation) is usually proclaimed with the idea that the fossil record supports from millions of years of death before the recent history (the worldwide flood of Noah's day is a Biblical view for the cause of most of these fossils). This view of history violates Scripture which explictly says God created in six days (and when the years of geneologies, etc., and side quest history are added up, amount to about 6,000 years) and that death is a penalty for sin, not a means of creating. If God used death and blamed it on Adam, how then would Jesus' death on behalf of Adam's race actually have any effect? And God is clear that the animals were vegetarian to start with--just like the people. The curse has affected the whole creation (Romans 8:20-22), even the animals, and when Jesus comes back to reign on the earth, He will begin dismantling the curse, returning animals to their Edenic diets and dispositions (Isaiah 11 and Isaiah 65). So then, animal death is part of the curse. The first recorded death in the Bible is when God slew an animal or animals to make clothes of skin for Adam and Eve after they sinned (Genesis 3:21). Animals don't give up their skins without bloodshed. The effect of sin is death (Genesis 2:17), and it's antidote is also the physical death of a spiritually innocent substitute, which is why Jesus had to die physically in order for spiritual life to come to any in Adam's race. A creation based on death completely undermines the gospel. I encourage you to read the book I posted about before (The Lie: Evolution/Millions of Years).