What are satan's plans?

[sherry40]

I read my devotions today and the passage for it was about satan and his goals. It makes me wonder if
perhaps some of the space race fever has to do with his ambitions. What does anyone else think?

Isaiah 14:12-15 (NIV)

12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. [a]

14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."

15 But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.
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[billwald]

Sounds like whomever it is talking about is kaput and isn't making plans.

 

[sherry40]

Satan also called lucifier is the " morning star, son of the dawn!".
The statement ""But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit."" referrs to the fact that he was thrown out of Heaven.

 

[sherry40]

Satan also called lucifier is the " morning star, son of the dawn!".
The statement ""But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit."" referrs to the fact that he was thrown out of Heaven.

bumping it up because I really want to know what others think

 

[Nanee5]

This is in referrance to satan's prideful attempt to overtake heaven, and his fall from God's presence, which happened long ago.

 

[JimfromOhio]

His biggest plan is to have people NOT accept Christ so that they can join him in hell. So far, he is successful because Christ said one time:
Matthew 7:13
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."

 

[Blades]

Satan is playing the role God has planned for him.... you have to remember that on his own Satan can do nothing.....the only reason Satan has power is because God gave him that power.

God has always been in control from day 1 people.... never doubt this.....


Grace and Peace to you always

 

[holeinone]

Satan is a tool in the hand of God. He can not act unless God allows it .

We are way too quick to use Satan as an excuse for our sin.

 

[Nanee5]

Satan is a tool in the hand of God. He can not act unless God allows it .

We are way too quick to use Satan as an excuse for our sin.

Sorry to disagree, but satan definately is NOT a tool in the hand of God. satan has free will to do as he wishes, which is what got him kicked out of heaven to begin with. satan only has the power that WE give him, as believers in our own lives.

 

[holeinone]

Sorry to disagree, but satan definately is NOT a tool in the hand of God. satan has free will to do as he wishes, which is what got him kicked out of heaven to begin with. satan only has the power that WE give him, as believers in our own lives.

Have you ever read the Bible?

It is clear in it that Satan can do NOTHING without the permission of God.

To believe otherwise is dualism.

Lets start with Job.

Have you read that book?

 

[JimfromOhio]

In Job, Chapter 2; God says, "Have you considered My servant Job? And he says, Let me at him again." And so in verse 6 chapter 2 the Lord said to Satan, "Behold he's in your hand, this time you can hit him but you can't kill him....you can't kill him. Satan went right out of the presence of the Lord and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot to his crown."

During the conversations between Satan and God, Satan is basically telling God: "Why do you think he worships You, because he's a pragmatist, he knows who's delivering the goods. Job knows how to open the flood gate, he does his thing for You and You unload on him, all the blessings, of course he's good. But not for nothing." Then Satan said in verse 11: "Put forth Your hand now, "touch all that he has, he'll curse You to Your face."

In terms of faith and fear, take away Job's stuff and he'll curse.

"And the Lord said to Satan, behold all that he has is in your power." Behold all that he has is in your power. God turned Job over to Satan, no question about it. That was a divine act by the sovereignty of God. Only upon himself don't put your hand. You can do anything you want to his stuff, but don't touch him.

Biblical writers refer to Job as a real person. Ezekiel refers to Job along with Noah and Daniel (Ezekiel 14:14,20). And James draws upon the example of Job to comfort the suffering, proving the point that God is merciful. He commends the endurance of Job (Jas. 5:11). It would not be very comforting if Job were nothing more than a "Jack and the Beanstalk" story. These biblical references alone authenticate Job as an historical person. In 1 Corinthians 3:19, Paul quotes from Job 5:13 with the words, "It is written," a regular formula for the introduction of an inspired quotation.

From the Book of Job, we see that God is in complete control. Satan had neither the power nor the authority to do anything without the permission of God. It was consistent with God's nature and will for him to have allowed those things to happen to Job. The Lord's point to Job, at the end of the book, is that he is the all-powerful Creator. He is the loving Sustainer. And he is the perfect Ruler. He created the Universe, and he knows how to govern it as well.

 

[holeinone]

In Job, Chapter 2; God says, "Have you considered My servant Job? And he says, Let me at him again." And so in verse 6 chapter 2 the Lord said to Satan, "Behold he's in your hand, this time you can hit him but you can't kill him....you can't kill him. Satan went right out of the presence of the Lord and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot to his crown."

During the conversations between Satan and God, Satan is basically telling God: "Why do you think he worships You, because he's a pragmatist, he knows who's delivering the goods. Job knows how to open the flood gate, he does his thing for You and You unload on him, all the blessings, of course he's good. But not for nothing." Then Satan said in verse 11: "Put forth Your hand now, "touch all that he has, he'll curse You to Your face."

In terms of faith and fear, take away Job's stuff and he'll curse.

"And the Lord said to Satan, behold all that he has is in your power." Behold all that he has is in your power. God turned Job over to Satan, no question about it. That was a divine act by the sovereignty of God. Only upon himself don't put your hand. You can do anything you want to his stuff, but don't touch him.

Biblical writers refer to Job as a real person. Ezekiel refers to Job along with Noah and Daniel (Ezekiel 14:14,20). And James draws upon the example of Job to comfort the suffering, proving the point that God is merciful. He commends the endurance of Job (Jas. 5:11). It would not be very comforting if Job were nothing more than a "Jack and the Beanstalk" story. These biblical references alone authenticate Job as an historical person. In 1 Corinthians 3:19, Paul quotes from Job 5:13 with the words, "It is written," a regular formula for the introduction of an inspired quotation.

From the Book of Job, we see that God is in complete control. Satan had neither the power nor the authority to do anything without the permission of God. It was consistent with God's nature and will for him to have allowed those things to happen to Job. The Lord's point to Job, at the end of the book, is that he is the all-powerful Creator. He is the loving Sustainer. And he is the perfect Ruler. He created the Universe, and he knows how to govern it as well.

Correct, Satan stands at the throne of God accusing the brethren, as he did with Job here. But God must give permission to Satan before he can act.

Consider the role of God the father in the temptation of Christ.

Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

That temptation was foreordained, satan acted only with the permission of God

Consider this well known verse

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

He may not just devour anyone. God uses Satan for his purposes.

 

[Nanee5]

Have you ever read the Bible?

It is clear in it that Satan can do NOTHING without the permission of God.

To believe otherwise is dualism.

Lets start with Job.

Have you read that book?

Yes I have, and in that instance, satan asked for permission to smite Job, so to prove that he only served God because of the good things He did for Job. But God did not use satan to do this... He allowed it to happen because Job had God's protection.

There is a big difference in saying that God allows satan to do something, and saying that God uses satan for his glory. God did not create satan to do evil, just so God could get glory from it. Satan chose to rebel against God and exalt himself above the most high..because he had free will.

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

Satan's plans are simple:

To deceive as many people as possible and get them into hell for eternity, to steal, kill and destroy and to make war upon the Saints.

 

[holeinone]

Yes I have, and in that instance, satan asked for permission to smite Job, so to prove that he only served God because of the good things He did for Job. But God did not use satan to do this... He allowed it to happen because Job had God's protection.

Actually God did more than allow it, it was Gods suggestion .

Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.


God suggested Job and set the parameters of Satan's oppression

Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he [is] in thine hand; but save his life.

There is a big difference in saying that God allows satan to do something, and saying that God uses satan for his glory.

Wait,if God is not sovereign over Satan how can God have the ability to "allow" anything?


As a student of the Bible I am sure you have read this.

Rev 4:11 — Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Would that include Lucifer?

Why does scripture tell us that Satan needs the permission of God to act?

Was God glorified by the "test" of Christ in the wilderness?
Was God glorified by his ordination of the cross and the use of Satan as a tool in that?

Is showing forth His holiness and Justice and power not a source of glory for God?

God did not create satan to do evil, just so God could get glory from it. Satan chose to rebel against God and exalt himself above the most high..because he had free will.

Could Satan have rebelled if God did not want him too?

These are hard questions I ask because for too long Christianity has hid behind the excuse that "the devil made me do it". It is time to stand before God and confess our evil hearts did not need Satan to sin.

Satan is, like ALL THINGS subject to the creator, he is NOT co equal to God, he like man is a creature subject to the creator.

 

[Nanee5]

Satan is, like ALL THINGS subject to the creator, he is NOT co equal to God, he like man is a creature subject to the creator.

I agree with the above statement. That being said,
Yes, God created Lucifer (who was an angel, and not evil, until pride welled up in his heart). But He did NOT create Lucifer to be evil. Lucifer chose to be. Angels then had free will, to choose what they would do. Lucifer CHOSE to rebel against God, not because God made him to do it, but because he had the right to choose to do it. After Lucifer's fall, the angels no longer had the right to choose, but when God made man, he gave man free will.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was reading though revelation again and noticed in chapt 20 that Satan/the Adversary is released, but the devil is shown thrown in the fire. Are they one and the same or different?

Reve 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison............ 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire

 

[WAB]

Satan's plans are simple:

To deceive as many people as possible and get them into hell for eternity, to steal, kill and destroy and to make war upon the Saints.

If you had not said it, I would have. So... right on!

One more purpose... to instill doubt as to the authenticity/accuracy of God's Word, even in believers.

Shalom.. WAB

 

[cavymom]

We are given tools to beat the enemy, no matter what plans the devil tries:

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, be strengthened by the Lord and by His vast strength.
11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can stand against the tactics of the Devil.

12 For our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.
13 This is why you must take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having prepared everything, to take your stand.

14 Stand, therefore, with truth like a belt around your waist, righteousness like armor on your chest,
15 and your feet sandaled with the readiness of the gospel of peace.
16 In every situation take the shield of faith, and with it you will be able to extinguish the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17 Take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is God's word.

18 With every prayer and request, pray at all times in the Spirit, and stay alert in this, with all perseverance and intercession for all the saints.

Jesus came to give us eternal life:

John 3:16 "For God loved the world in this way: He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 Anyone who believes in Him is not judged, but anyone who does not believe is already judged, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.


If you reject Jesus work of salvation and choose to sin you have to suffer with Satan:

Revelation 20:10 The Devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. 12 I also saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged according to their works by what was written in the books. 13 Then the sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead; all were judged according to their works. 14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And anyone not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[WAB]

I was reading though revelation again and noticed in chapt 20 that Satan/the Adversary is released, but the devil is shown thrown in the fire. Are they one and the same or different?

Reve 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison............ 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire

All you have to do is back up to verse 2... "And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years." (NASB, just because it is close at hand).

Satan will be bound for the thousand year reign of Christ on earth, so that no one who lives under the perfect rule of our Saviour will be able to say..."the devil made me do it!" We make our own choices.

Then he will be released for a short period of time, and incredibly, he will be able to once again deceive the political entities then existent, including those who have their names blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life.

Shalom... WAB

But then read chapter 21 & 22 !!