What about these ana-baptists?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

he should of course just love and keep seeking the truth.
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this will of course make him an enemy of the one world powers (government, religious, and especially medical)
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and thus they will of course ignore him or (try) silence him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

(last year more people were killed than during the entire time of the holocaust, and many were in any big city in the world, usa included)
(this year more people are deceived than last year, and next year if Yahweh permits next year will be even worse)

 

[nzguy]

well.. I think there are many other books in Baptist history aside from the Trail of Blood that tease out the Trail of Blood references.. their validitity and actual events..

One book I want to read I think is called the Battle for Baptist History

But the reason I am looking more is because I am not so sure the Trail of Blood is sound history anymore.

I just don know enough about the sources

 

[thewarshipper527]

can you become Anabaptist if your baptized when your 3

 

[nzguy]

well if you were baptised at 3.. I am not sure you needed to be baptised!

In God's Word.. scripture tells that anyone before the age of knowing right from wrong are under God's grace.. and if they die at that age go to heaven.

To become an ana-baptist.. you don't really become an ana-baptist! You just ask Christ into your life for salvation.. and He does that! Eternal life the moment you ask Him in!

That is how you start a relationship with Jesus Christ. Then if you want to.. you can join one of Jesus' churches around the world

That is where the ana-baptist belief comes in, where their are churches with distinctive marks like only baptising adults.. having church as always an assembly or congregation.. and baptism always after salvation.

So there you go

 

[WayneinMaine]

can you become Anabaptist if your baptized when your 3

If you are talking about traditional Anabaptist groups (Mennonite, Amish, Hutterite, Brethren), only the most liberal congregations would recognize baptism at three years of age as being valid. The conservative groups among Anabaptists expect a conscious mature decision about repenting of one's sins and following Jesus in a lifetime commitment that will effect every aspect of your life -your job, choice of spouse, your whole lifestyle. This is not a decision one is capable of making as a 3 year old.

I like the analogy of marriage. Would you consider a three year old capable of making a decision in choosing a spouse and getting married? Is not the decision to follow Jesus at least as significant in one's life as choosing a spouse?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

RE for salvation: start reading Genesis, Matthew, 1 John, Mark, Luke and Proverbs.
Keep reading, keep reading, keep reading (WITHOUT FOOTNOTES OR HELPS)
Trust Yahweh only, no man.
You are cused if you trust man, according to Scripture.(it is written).
Example: try to find ANYPLACE in Scripture where a man got saved asking Jesus into their heart or life..... ... .... it just doesn't happen / isn't there !
But a radical (total ! ) life change is . It will be so obvious, others will know without you saying anything, and because of your new conversation also.

 

[tulc]

Example: try to find ANYPLACE in Scripture where a man got saved asking Jesus into their heart or life..... ... .... it just doesn't happen / isn't there !

...or obeying the Law, getting circumcised or any of the other things so many would have us believe.
tulc(just thought it should be pointed out)

 

[nzguy]

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

Ephesians 1:13b-14 in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I could go on........

from NZguy

 

[MrJim]

Jn 1:10 –Jn 1:13 NKJV
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[MrJim]

Rom 11:19 –Rom 11:23 NKJV
You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”
Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.


Something learned during my mennonite years~

 

[Crazy Liz]

The ones that don't see the body of Christ as universal-

they see it as a congregation or assembly

with the family of God as universal

why aren't they included in the definition of ana-baptists?


cos these guys have been around since at least A.D 100!

You know what, I just saw the sticky thread & started a thread asking if we should clean up our stickies. I had not realized we had a locked thread that seemed to give an exclusive definition.

Now I think I actually misunderstood the purpose of this thread (again, I'm sorry nzguy) and thought someone wanted to narrow the definition of Anabaptist to include only the Trail of Blood folks. Now that I see what's in the thread, I completely agree that we should broaden what's in the sticky to include Friends and other similar denominations. I am so sorry you read it and felt excluded. My reading of your post was colored by past efforts by others to exclude. I want to be more welcoming.

Now that the Admins who locked us up in this ghetto are gone, can we open the doors? I know Joykins was quite saddened to be told by TPTB that Christians & Missionary Alliance didn't belong here or in the Baptist forum, which left her homeless. The Calvinist admins thought CMA should be either Wesleyan or Charismatic, but since CM&A don't baptize infants and don't speak in tongues, neither of these groups was the right fit. Why not fling open our doors to them now?

The Scandinavian free churches also have a lot in common with us, and some of the Evangelical Covenant CF members have made this forum their home. The Evangelical Free Church falls in this category, too. Although not historical peace churches, they do have roots in the Radical Reformation, like the Anabaptists.

Is there really anyone here who wants to exclude people from this forum and make it a very narrow group?

Let's talk about this some more.

 

[nzguy]

if you want to include the ones I mean-- the American Baptist Association statement of faith could be a website reference. Although I think this is probably more suited to the baptist forum seeing as they have a reference to American Baptists there ... but I am pretty sure that one is calvinist.. where the ABA is neither calvinist nor armenian.

Anyway.. I don't know about flinging the thing right open.. because ana-baptists are not really that huge a group when it really comes down to it.. seeing as they are neither protestant nor catholic and were persecuted and cut off by those wider groups. But I ain't the moderator or leader here so do what you wish

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NZguy

 

[nzguy]

how do I delete this second message?

 

[Joykins]

There is already a Baptist forum. Some of them (don't know if any are still here) didn't think that Anabaptists were a good fit with their forum.

I don't know if I qualify to have a real say here now that I have gone over to the Other Side (Methodist)

 

[nzguy]

interesting.. I went from Methodist beliefs to Baptist- other way around

 

[Joykins]

interesting.. I went from Methodist beliefs to Baptist- other way around

It's all a big circle, isn't it?

 

[nzguy]

well.. seeing as my church now is completely bible-believing.. I can't see myself going back to a Methodist church that doesn't preach straight from the Word. In my experience.. very few do that, and the doctrine is very vague. But I guess if I was in a country that had only one church and it was methodist.. and I had to live there.. then I would consider it

enough from me anyhoo

 

[Joykins]

well.. seeing as my church now is completely bible-believing.. I can't see myself going back to a Methodist church that doesn't preach straight from the Word. In my experience.. very few do that, and the doctrine is very vague. But I guess if I was in a country that had only one church and it was methodist.. and I had to live there.. then I would consider it

enough from me anyhoo

I was raised in an Anabaptist church, then we went to a non-denominational church, then I went to college and tried everything from Catholic to Baptist to Reformed Presbyterian, then went to a Christian and Missionary Alliance church for many years. Due to many reasons we left that church and landed in a Methodist one that is feeding us spiritually and at which there are many opportunities for us and our children to serve the Lord and our fellow human beings.

May God bless you on your spiritual journey, I don't think any church or another is wrong or right so much as where God wants us to be at certain times.

 

[Crazy Liz]

There is already a Baptist forum. Some of them (don't know if any are still here) didn't think that Anabaptists were a good fit with their forum.

I don't know if I qualify to have a real say here now that I have gone over to the Other Side (Methodist)

So did you change your mind about paedobaptism? Did they accept you in Wesley's Parish?