What about the differences between chimps and humans?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 19, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Another false statement, you people will believe anything, including false scientific data (agendas)

She works for Answers In Genesis, and they have a requirement that, "it is imperative that all persons employed by the AiG ministry in any capacity, or who serve as volunteers, should abide by and agree to our Statement of Faith and conduct themselves accordingly."

Their lengthy Statement of Faith, saying what must be accepted without question, includes the following, "No apparent, perceived, or claimed evidence in any field of study, including science, history, and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture obtained by historical-grammatical interpretation."

That is clearly contrary to the use of the scientific method. Follow the link and you can verify it for yourself.

Psalm 27 · Jun 19, 2021

Subduction Zone said:
Most Christians are not creationists.

Another false statement.

Psalm 27 · Jun 19, 2021

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
She works for Answers In Genesis, and they have a requirement that, "it is imperative that all persons employed by the AiG ministry in any capacity, or who serve as volunteers, should abide by and agree to our Statement of Faith and conduct themselves accordingly."

Their lengthy Statement of Faith, saying what must be accepted without question, includes the following, "No apparent, perceived, or claimed evidence in any field of study, including science, history, and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture obtained by historical-grammatical interpretation."

That is clearly contrary to the use of the scientific method. Follow the link and you can verify it for yourself.

Nope. Don’t believe you

Psalm 27 · Jun 19, 2021

Hans Blaster said:
Welcome to the thread. Your post is a little all over the place and includes some off topic items. Here I consider the rest...

The 98% figure is for Chimps-Humans, not all mammals.

This is several claims made without references. Can you support these assertions? I find it unlikely that differences are ignored. Much of science is about studying differences between similar things.

While non-coding DNA might have been over characterized as "junk" by some geneticists, there are chunks of your DNA that almost certainly are useless junk such as complete copies of viral genomes inserted during ancestral infections.

Cosmologists have determined, by measurement, that the Universe is 13.8 billion years old, but this fact is irrelevant to biology, evolution, or human-chimp differences.

Common ancestry is one of the fundamental claims of evolutionary theory. It is not a "belief" but rather a central hypothesis of the theory.

The Chromosome 2 merger is well established by the genomic sequence of humans and chimps including the remnants of the pre-fusion telomeres and centromeres in our Chromosome 2. If you would like to claim otherwise (as you just did) evidence to the contrary is indicated.

Now you've switched from a 2% difference claim for all mammals (when it is really for Humans/Chimps) to a 20% difference claims specifically between Humans and Chimps.

Whether a mutation degrades, improves, or is neutral it is still a change.

Darwin’s finches-finches are still finches

Psalm 27 · Jun 19, 2021

Hans Blaster said:
Welcome to the thread. Your post is a little all over the place and includes some off topic items. Here I consider the rest...

The 98% figure is for Chimps-Humans, not all mammals.

This is several claims made without references. Can you support these assertions? I find it unlikely that differences are ignored. Much of science is about studying differences between similar things.

While non-coding DNA might have been over characterized as "junk" by some geneticists, there are chunks of your DNA that almost certainly are useless junk such as complete copies of viral genomes inserted during ancestral infections.

Cosmologists have determined, by measurement, that the Universe is 13.8 billion years old, but this fact is irrelevant to biology, evolution, or human-chimp differences.

Common ancestry is one of the fundamental claims of evolutionary theory. It is not a "belief" but rather a central hypothesis of the theory.

The Chromosome 2 merger is well established by the genomic sequence of humans and chimps including the remnants of the pre-fusion telomeres and centromeres in our Chromosome 2. If you would like to claim otherwise (as you just did) evidence to the contrary is indicated.

Now you've switched from a 2% difference claim for all mammals (when it is really for Humans/Chimps) to a 20% difference claims specifically between Humans and Chimps.

Whether a mutation degrades, improves, or is neutral it is still a change.

Darwin’s finches-finches are still finches

Shemjaza · Jun 19, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Another false statement.

The definition for Creationist most commonly used around here is someone who believes humans were specially created in their current form and did not evolve?

Most Christians, globally, are comfortable humans evolving from other life, just that God has ultimate control and authorship of the universe.

Shemjaza · Jun 19, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Darwin’s finches-finches are still finches

Yep and humans are still mammals.

What's your point?

Psalm 27 · Jun 19, 2021

Shemjaza said:
Yep and humans are still mammals.

What's your point?

Humans are still humans, what’s yours?

Although, like finches we all have different beaks...

VirOptimus · Jun 19, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Humans are still humans, what’s yours?

You really really dont understand even the very basics of the theory of evolution.

Shemjaza · Jun 19, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Humans are still humans, what’s yours?

Both are true.

Modern humans are a variety of ape classified as Homo sapiens.

There isn't any coherent objective measure to draw a hard line between "human" and "ape".

Psalm 27 · Jun 19, 2021

I have to go and appreciate God’s invisible attributes from His creation now. Bye bye

Romans 1:20

AV1611VET · Jun 19, 2021

Shemjaza said:
Modern humans are a variety of ape classified as Homo sapiens.

With the exception of A on that skull chart, every one of those are Homo sapiens.

Labeling them differently is like labeling our Thalidomide children differently.

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Bungle_Bear said:
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not a great chess player

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VirOptimus said:
You really really dont understand even the very basics of the theory of evolution.

Have you only just figured that out! Just shows how gullible you scienty types are
It’s not a theory, it’s a lie

Psalm 27 · Jun 19, 2021

Shemjaza said:
I'm not a huge fan of being the same species as Hitler, but it doesn't let me pretend that Homo nazi is a separate creation by space demons.

Hitler, Manson, dahmer, hindley, Brady...me, you,...we have ALL fallen short of the glory of God.
Luke 18:11

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 19, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Nope. Don’t believe you

What don't you believe? - the quotes are cut & pasted directly from the Answers In Genesis website, from the page I linked to; both Dr. Georgia Purdom's bio and Answers In Genesis say she works for them.

You can ask her yourself - here are her contact details:

Georgia Purdom
Answers in Genesis
P.O. box 510
Hebron, KY 41048
AiG Phone Number: (859) 727-2222
Customer service: (800) 778-3390

VirOptimus · Jun 19, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Have you only just figured that out! Just shows how gullible you scienty types are
It’s not a theory, it’s a lie

In you own words, what does a scientific theory entail?

Bradskii · Jun 19, 2021

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Yup. Yet another disappointment - by elimination, I was guessing social sciences - but the attitude contradicted that... Possibly a graduate of the Dunning-Kruger school of BS

It ain't geology. He thinks the planet is a few thousand years old. I've got $10 here I will send to to anyone's favourite charity if you can get him to admit it.

Astrid · Jun 19, 2021

Estrid said:
Farcical overeating of self is very pronounced
among creationists.
Wish we could get a good one, that would
be interesting.

Look how my wish was answered.

Astrid · Jun 19, 2021

Newton invested in slavery so calculus and the
fundamental laws of physics are invalid.

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