What about Homosexuallity?

[MatthewofFaith]

Can they be saved?

 

[desmalia]

God can and does save whomever He chooses, including gay people.
However remaining unrepentant of homosexual practices is strong evidence that the individual is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit and therefore not (yet) saved (though they may still be saved one day - only God knows that). That is the same for other ongoing sins such as promiscuity, etc. Not that we become perfect once we're believers, of course. But we come to see how ugly our sin is in the light of our precious Lord's pure holiness, and we strive to leave it behind so we can glorify Him.

 

[zach2093]

If god created all people in his image then shouldnt homosexuals already be saved

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

I'll let God give my answer.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[zach2093]

I guess the piont im getting at is why would god create homosexuals then not save them?

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

I guess the piont im getting at is why would god create homosexuals then not save them?

I'll let the Bible answer this question as well.

Romans 1:20-31 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

 

[icamewithasword]

I guess the piont im getting at is why would god create homosexuals then not save them?

You're kind-of asking why God created sin...... He didn't. He created man in His image for His good purpose and pleasure. Man chose to (and chooses to) rebel against God. The sin of homosexuality is not the sin that condemns man to hell; just as the sin of adultery is not the condemning sin. The sin that condemns man to hell is the denial of Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is accompanied by repentance; you cannot have one without the other. Therefore, it is the unrepentant sinner that is not saved.

 

[Man_is_Flawed]

You're kind-of asking why God created sin...... He didn't. He created man in His image for His good purpose and pleasure. Man chose to (and chooses to) rebel against God. The sin of homosexuality is not the sin that condemns man to hell; just as the sin of adultery is not the condemning sin. The sin that condemns man to hell is the denial of Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is accompanied by repentance; you cannot have one without the other. Therefore, it is the unrepentant sinner that is not saved.

I do not like this line of logic. Through the conscious comission of sin, one rejects Jesus Christ as his savior. Simply apologizing for this grave offense is not the key to Heaven, even if one does feel true remorse. One must live strictly by the principles set forth by Christ. If I may use an analogy to earthly authority: A man might break the law by speeding, but his remorse for this offense is not sufficient recompense. Apologizing to the police, even if he truly feels regret, will not forgive his monetary penalty. He must pay the price of his trespass. Likewise, if a man knows the penalty for offending the heavenly laws set forth by the Lord, and knowingly breaks them, he should expect no such forgiveness. Sin is sin.

 

[ReformedChapin]

If god created all people in his image then shouldnt homosexuals already be saved

Genetic disposition does not justify morality, that's assuming that homosexuality is genetic. According to the christian world view creation itself is fallen, so even in its current state that doesn't imply that people are doing what they are required to do under God's law.

 

[DD2008]

Genetic disposition does not justify morality, that's assuming that homosexuality is genetic. According to the christian world view creation itself is fallen, so even in its current state that doesn't imply that people are doing what they are required to do under God's law.

I agree. If homosexuality and other such disasters are proven to be genetic that would simply prove the biblical doctrine of the total depravity of man to be true. The fall was a dramatic change in man spiritually and physically. It changed the whole of creation. Every man is a sinner of some sort.

All of us need the righteousness of Christ imputed to us in order to be saved and escape the condemnation of the outpouring of the wrath of God. If we trust in Christ we are saved if not the God's wrath stays on us.

John 3:36 KJV
[36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

 

[icamewithasword]

I do not like this line of logic. Through the conscious comission of sin, one rejects Jesus Christ as his savior. Simply apologizing for this grave offense is not the key to Heaven, even if one does feel true remorse. One must live strictly by the principles set forth by Christ. If I may use an analogy to earthly authority: A man might break the law by speeding, but his remorse for this offense is not sufficient recompense. Apologizing to the police, even if he truly feels regret, will not forgive his monetary penalty. He must pay the price of his trespass. Likewise, if a man knows the penalty for offending the heavenly laws set forth by the Lord, and knowingly breaks them, he should expect no such forgiveness. Sin is sin.

In my post you referrenced; did I lead you to believe that I think remorse and repentance are the same thing?
Are you thinking that remorse and repentance are the same thing?

added: Do you deny once saved, always saved? Do Christians no longer sin?

 

[119104]

The Lord loves all his children and gives us free will. Do you know the saying, " God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve?" Well God made Steve as well. Who are we to judge. First take the plank from your own eye and let the other person travel their own path with the Lord.

Your Brother in Christ

 

[LeightonH]

First take the plank from your own eye and let the other person travel their own path with the Lord.

That's not how I read it...
Matthew 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

 

[Sketcher]

The Lord loves all his children and gives us free will. Do you know the saying, " God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve?" Well God made Steve as well. Who are we to judge. First take the plank from your own eye and let the other person travel their own path with the Lord.

But even Jesus said that God didn't make Steve to be gay with Adam.

 

[OLDGUY]

Not to be agrumentative, but there are no known theories of existance that actually condone or promote homosexuality.
So why not go attack Darwin? Natural selection seems to be against it too.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

I'll let the Bible answer this question as well. [/I]

You just quoted scripture, which was not written, as far as I know, to answer his question.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Not to be agrumentative, but there are no known theories of existance that actually condone or promote homosexuality.
So why not go attack Darwin? Natural selection seems to be against it too.

Natural selection promotes the genes that are best suited for the environment. It doesn't suggest condemnation for genes.

 

[OLDGUY]

Natural selection promotes the behavior that will most likely lead to the propagation of a species. Last time I checked that means hetrosexual pairings.
Even atheism promotes the best chance scenario. Again what is likely to lead to the continuation of a species.

To quote Albert Einstein, "God doesn't throw dice.".

 

[Kristin E]

Can they be saved?

I feel they can, but only if they stop it...
You cannot ask for forgiveness and continue to do the wrong thing,
it just don't work that way.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Natural selection promotes the behavior that will most likely lead to the propagation of a species. Last time I checked that means hetrosexual pairings.
Even atheism promotes the best chance scenario. Again what is likely to lead to the continuation of a species.

To quote Albert Einstein, "God doesn't throw dice.".

Natural selection is followed by mutations. It means less successful genes do emerge. Natural selection reduces the frequency of those genes. It doesn't get rid of all bad genes, as shown in the number of genetic diseases and deformities out there.