What about ghosts?

[louiseandgary]

I believe in ghosts and spirit mediums. I watch tv programs and am amazed by the things these mediums can 'hear' from the other side. I also believe in God and don't really know where it all fits in.

 

[Strife]

I wondered this aswell louiseandgary. By the way, which one are you, louise or gary? Hehe.

I believe in ghosts or actually poltergiest, which ever they are. A causin of mine experienced some paranormal activity at this alternative prison he was in. I do believe him, why else would he and others complain about beds shaking, room temperatures suddenly turning cold (which means their present), and doors slamming? I'm assuming this rather than a regular prison is much more worse punishment if your the type that are scared of ghosts!

Oh and almost forgot to mention, his location. My causin told me that his room is at the lowest level of the building, the basement. These rooms are shared with a number of other members but the funny thing is, the beds are closely to each other. Why? I guess it helps to reduce the fear that these guys gotta go through.

A little history on this. The alternative prison was actually in the past an orphanage for disadvantaged children. Well, stories of it's past are said that children had been treated unfairly, abused, and murdered. I guess thats what explains it.

I'm not too sure where this would all fit, but it certainly is real.

 

[STSoledad]

i personally beleive in spirits, not necesarily ghosts of the dead. when i say spirits i mean demons and the like, as well and benevolent ones (maybe angels or something). in my mind at least when you die you go to either heaven or hell, so there isnt much credability in my mind for spirits of those who've passed. as for the guys on tv, i consider them fake. i saw a guy who could not "hear messages from the beyond" and did the same thing, its all a matter of being vague enough, having a good audience, and reading your audience well. thats my two cents, take it as you will

 

[St. Joseph of Rome]

I believe ghosts are the spirits of fallen angels, who masquarade as the dead. Some Christians believe in the possibility of spirits remaining on for some time, but there theology (from what I can understand) is unstable.

 

[Archangel590]

I only believe in the Holy ghost,I mean,come on,do you think God would let spirts come back to earth to haunt or scare us?

 

[Kamtre]

hey, well ive thot about this too and have figured some stuff out. ghosts and spirits are demons. the reason they know everything is: they are the ultimate eavesdroppers. they are invisible, and they have memories beyond our imaginations.. theyve had what? 6-10,000 years to study the nature of man, so they can predict alot of stuff.. then horoscopes and tarots, etc? they are so generalized that when they are wrong you dont think anything of them. when they are right you scream and shout and beleive in them. then when they are wrong again u dismiss it and think nothing of it. well hope u had a good read.. pm me if u got more q's

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Most of it is clever fakery. "There's someone here who's recently lost their husband" - to a room of fifty old dears.... what a surprise, half the room nods.

"Harold?" - not a glimmer - "No, the spirits aren't being clear - it's Albert...." - surprise, hand goes up....

Some of this sort of stuff's more real. But as Ecclesiasticus says, "There are yet greater things than these be, for we have seen but a few of His works"

 

[rainbowprism]

I believe that people can have the spirit of pronastication and can attempt to channel "spirits" ie through seances and whatnot...BUT I beleive this is rooted in the demonic realm. It is having us turn to someone else rather than God for answers... bad juju. The enemy is a liar and unforetunatly people who are bereaved from loss of a family member and whatnot want some resolution through being able to 'make contact' and the enemy will present any oppurtunity that brings the focus away from God. Can these people sometimes be right? Absolutley, but you need to wonder where thier "gifts" are coming from.

 

[Jessica Lauren]

I do not believe in Ghosts at all.

 

[Iollain]

I've found a good site about this:

http://www.teachingpages.co.uk/minilesson/psychics.html

 

[brinley45cal]

i personally beleive in spirits, not necesarily ghosts of the dead. when i say spirits i mean demons and the like, as well and benevolent ones (maybe angels or something). in my mind at least when you die you go to either heaven or hell, so there isnt much credability in my mind for spirits of those who've passed. as for the guys on tv, i consider them fake. i saw a guy who could not "hear messages from the beyond" and did the same thing, its all a matter of being vague enough, having a good audience, and reading your audience well. thats my two cents, take it as you will

You bring up some good points.When you die its either heaven or hell,there is no wandering around in the same house for eternity.I think if there is any truth to it at all,it is demons disguised as a family member or someone who lived some time ago to decive and get peoples attintion off god.If they can get you beliving in mediums and the so called paranormal it will keep one so interisted in that rather than god.
Now this is just opinion of course but i just thought i would share what i thought about it.

 

[Machin Shin]

I do not believe in Ghosts. I do, however, believe in Demons, AKA fallen angels. I believe that Demons like St. Joseph of Rome said, masquarade as the dead in order to distract us from what really matters: God. Once you die, I believe that you either go to one of two places: Heaven, or Hell, both of which are real. there is no time for the feelings of vengefull spirits. one instant you stop breathing, and the next you are being judged by God, you're only hope being Jesus Christ's own blood. there is no in between according to what I have read in the Bible. as for these Mediums and ouija boards, etc, they are simply tools of the Devil. they summon Demons, not spirits, and once a Demon has posessed you, or simply taken an intrest in you, you're only hope is Jesus Christ and his servants.stay away from these things. please check out what I said about them here: http://www.christianforums.com/t782649

 

[Serapha]

I believe in ghosts and spirit mediums. I watch tv programs and am amazed by the things these mediums can 'hear' from the other side. I also believe in God and don't really know where it all fits in.

Hi there!





Where is the "evidence" that what you are hearing is from the other side?



~serapha~

 

[Iollain]

Acts 16:
16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


I've noticed some of the psychics talk about God as if they are Christian, probably want to ensnare Christians in this lie. Looks like from this verse that they can (or the familiar spirit) can seem to be one.

 

[Freodin]

I don´t believe in Ghosts or Demons.

Yes, some wierd stuff happens - but to declare "It´s the dead." or "It´s Satan´s minions" is premature judgement based on your preconcieved ideas.

 

[but'n'ben]

I honestly don't know where I stand on the whole ghost thing. I had a few experiences regarding ghosts in the underground city of Edinburgh...this place was featured on living TVs most haunted, but then it could just have been the power of suggestion.

My mum did grow up in a haunted farm house outside Glasgow and funnnily enough we were just discussing it today. She said there was definately a presence in the house but exactly what she doesn't know. She was a young child at the time but her brothers all remember things happening. The house is demolished now and the only thing that still stands is the fireplace.

One story my mum told me is this. I believe it 100%. She used to work in a factory which made mens trousers. She worked at the sewing machine right next to her sister, my aunt Jean. Their friend brough in a polaroid camera and so the three of them went into the toilets to mess around with it. Their friend took a picture of my my mum and aunt with their arms around each others shoulders and went back onto the factory floor. The photograph was placed between the two machines while it developed.

When it developed it showed my mum and aunt, but a burnt male face has appeared between their two heads. Needless to say, all three got a shock and reported it. Since the only man in the factory was the manager he couldn't figure out who this burnt man was. They found out after asking around that the same factory had made ammunition shells during the war and there had been an explosion. A worker was killed in the expolsion.

As for those who speak to the dead, I used to believe them. But the bible said to treat them with suspicion and so I do.

 

[markie]

I do not believe in Ghosts at all.

Spirit would be a better translation of the Greek word pneuma for Holy Ghost. When we think of a ghost we think of something scary. I think that what we think of as ghosts are actually devil spirits. The same is true about these so called UFO sightings, they may be real but they're not harmless creatures from another planet. It may be of interest too note that a lot of these creatures are reptilian in appearance. I don't think the devil is necessarily in hell and won't be until the return of Jesus Christ. Revelation 20 1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years In the New American Standard bible Isaiah 14 12 says "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut (down to the earth), you who have weakened the nations.
Job 1:7 says And the LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on
These verses suggest that Satan is here on earth and his devil spirits are here on earth too.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Machin Shin]

I don´t believe in Ghosts or Demons.

Yes, some wierd stuff happens - but to declare "It´s the dead." or "It´s Satan´s minions" is premature judgement based on your preconcieved ideas.

I would debate you, but what I believe comes from the bible, adn if you don't believe in the bible, there really is no point. basically, if you believe in the bible, you believe in demons as well as angels, but that does not apply to you. thank you for being polite

 

[Freodin]

I would debate you, but what I believe comes from the bible, adn if you don't believe in the bible, there really is no point. basically, if you believe in the bible, you believe in demons as well as angels, but that does not apply to you. thank you for being polite

That´s what I meant by "preconcieved notions".

Basically, it is irrelevant if you believe in the Bible, or demons, or ghosts to explain a certain phenomenon.

But if you can only explain it from this belief, you are doing it on faith, which is not necessarily truth.

Consider - even if your belief in Demons might be true, it could still be something completely different responsible for the phenomenon.

An example - completely unrelated to demon so that you don´t think I would attack your faith in them:
Feathers fall slower than stones. Now I believe that invisible pixies exist, who like to play with feathers. From that I can certainly conclude: the feathers fall slower because the Pixies keep them up. Ideas like "air friction" are simply explanations from unbelievers.

See what I mean?

I don´t believe in Ghost or Demons - but because I did not have experiences where I could test the pro and contra hypotesises, I withhold judgment about their possible existence. In my view, the only honest stance.

 

[Philip4Jesus]

As for question about ghosts ... I myself have stayed in a room that was reportedly haunted, someone hung themselves in the room and was said to have been haunting the room , but I stayed in that room allnight and never saw a thing, never saw or heard anything strange.

Also just to tell a quick story, in my parents house, whenever we were in the kitchen and ajoining dining room of their house we would hear a knocking, like someone was knocking on the wall or floor, well after some investigation we discovered that it was our refrigerator that was making that sound. So you see, something that seems supernatural can be easily explained sometimes