What About All the Fish?

MQTA · Feb 8, 2006

is there a possibility, even if remote, that our geological evidence was built on an incorrect foundation and all suppositions are not fully what they've appeared and presumed all these years?

MQTA · Feb 8, 2006

"the book", too, could be totally misunderstood from the original writings to the traditions that were passed down and followed, changed, 'improved', pondered, diced, sliced, fought over, and questioned since... since.. ? who knows when. but looking at it from a different angle, one in which 2006's technology may shed light on, then it takes on a different light and may have some merit. the main point being there's some reason it's been preserved and passed along and there's so much supernatural reasons for it, traditionally told through the years.. but it may just be a plain, today's tech key to seeing what really happened.

or something like that

DailyBlessings · Feb 8, 2006

MQTA said:
is there a possibility, even if remote, that our geological evidence was built on an incorrect foundation and all suppositions are not fully what they've appeared and presumed all these years?

Yes there is. But it is very, very remote indeed. You would need something as odd as dad's mergeable universe to explain away the massive amounts of data that have confirmed our understanding of geomorphology.

MQTA · Feb 8, 2006

or a reasonable explanation and demonstration ?

MQTA · Feb 8, 2006

like when Penn & Teller show how things are done

DailyBlessings · Feb 8, 2006

You would need to explain why scientific inference is invalid or does not apply to geologic processes- we're talking about a set of very well established theories. It's a bit beyond Penn and Teller's scope.

Mocca · Feb 8, 2006

Anyway, even if all the geological evidence was somehow discounted, there's still the problem of providing evidence in support of the Bible.

LVdesigns · Feb 8, 2006

Dad, you are right, I don't know that the earth wasn't different prior to when the flood was claimed to occur. However, other than 2,000+ year old stories, there is no reason to assume a global flood ever happened. Therefore, I am skeptical of the accuracy of that claim. I think the story could be based partially on truth maybe it was a large local flood. Geologists have found evidence to support this idea.

anunbeliever said:
Maybe all marine life died during the cataclysm and God recreated them from scratch afterwards?

That would make a lot more sense than trying to explain it with hyper adaptation.

Mocca · Feb 8, 2006

That makes as much sense as God creating the universe last Thursday, already ready-made with all of its inhabitants carrying memories of last Wednesday and before, with all of the marine life and animal life and whatever life already there.

My point is, you can claim God did anything.

dad · Feb 8, 2006

urbanxy said:
urbanxy said:

...please define it. You use it to paste together this "theory" of yours, yet you admit we cannot understand it.

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I admit you and science don't understand it.

Why do you try explaining these things scientifically when you know you can't?

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It is not I that have done that of the future and the past, it is you! You can't explain the pst that way, or how it must have been merged, or PO. So, just concede that you believe all this on faith alone.

Actually, don't bother it has already been demonstrated.

dad · Feb 8, 2006

LVdesigns said:
LVdesigns said:

Dad, you are right, I don't know that the earth wasn't different prior to when the flood was claimed to occur.

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Thank you.

....there is no reason to assume a global flood ever happened. Therefore, I am skeptical of the accuracy of that claim.

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Ther is no reason to assume it didn't. All reasons so far are a same past assumption and belief. Much weaked reasons than documetary evidence!

Mocca · Feb 8, 2006

Please, explain this "Split / Merged-World" hypothesis of yours. I've heard you refrencing it many times, and it sounds extraordinarily intriguing! In fact, you may even want to create a whole thread devoted to your hypothesis, to further educate the rest of us about your interesting hypothesis.

dad · Feb 8, 2006

MQTA said:
from DNA is how that story goes

I don't know what to believe any more, so I'm just going to throw out all beliefs and just forget the whole thing. Call me when the world agrees on one thing

Excellent, a step in the right direction. Doubting old age evolution is good.

dad · Feb 8, 2006

AirPo said:
You have a problem with extrapolation? ...

Yes, you have a problem on your hands. Extrapolations only work when the parts of the equation are know, and this rules out the ones based on a belief of a PO past!

Alchemist · Feb 9, 2006

dad said:
Yes, piece of cake! You see all species of say, tigers came from the one pair on the ark, etc as well. The world was so different (spiritual and physical) that this was par for the course then. So, for a century after the flood, the world was still merged, leaving ample time for fish to adapt. No problem at all.

In other words, "evolution did it. But only after the Flood, because [my infallible interpretation of] the Bible says so!".

Not an atypical creationist response. But each time equally ironic - and disappointing .

Alchemist · Feb 9, 2006

Mocca said:
That makes as much sense as God creating the universe last Thursday, already ready-made with all of its inhabitants carrying memories of last Wednesday and before, with all of the marine life and animal life and whatever life already there.

Actually, I think that makes more sense than God flooding the Earth with a huge "Flood", whilst making sure not only empirical and forensic science, but the Bible itself says He didn't.

AirPo · Feb 9, 2006

dad said:
Yes, you have a problem on your hands. Extrapolations only work when the parts of the equation are know, and this rules out the ones based on a belief of a PO past!

Your problem seems to be that you don't know how extrapolation works.

LittleNipper · Feb 9, 2006

TheBear said:
If you mean how high the mountains were 4-5 thousand years ago, we have a fairly precise knowledge of mountain heights. Mt Everest is between 30 and 50 million years old, and is 29,035 feet high. It is rising a few millimeters a year. In the grand scheme of things, 5,000 years ago there were only insignificant differences in the height of Mt Everest......hardly an answer to the problem that all this water would add many times more crushing pressure, to many forms of seabed marine life.

Mount Everest is made of material that has been judged by some geologists (in their learned opinion and applying their consideration of the data) to be between 30 & 50 years old. For the sake of an argument, say I take a china dish that I know to be a 300 year old China import from some dynasty or other. Now, say I drop the dish and it breaks into three pieces. My son comes into the room and places the pieces so they form a sort of tepee. NOW, how old is the tepee? Is it three hundred years old or is it only as old as when my son erected it? It is all in the perspective.

urbanxy · Feb 9, 2006

dad said:
I admit you and science don't understand it.

I take this to mean you do understand, so I ask again: please define this "spiritual".

It is not I that have done that of the future and the past, it is you! You can't explain the pst that way, or how it must have been merged, or PO. So, just concede that you believe all this on faith alone.

This response is barely coherent. You keep insisting on some vague mysterious concept that you made up which will explain the past and future of the universe. I'm just asking for some clarification.

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TheBear · Feb 9, 2006

LittleNipper said:
It is all in the perspective.

Let's cut to the chase....

How high are you claiming the global flood waters rose? How many feet above sea level? And, are you claiming the water was fresh, salt or brackish?

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