What a Trump-led evacuation might have been like...

[Brihaha]

Based on the available evidence to this point, I'd say trump was simply using his "deal" with the taliban as a political tactic to get elected. Few presidents had the courage and fortitude to end our occupation of Afghanistan. One out of the last four presidents to be precise. Trump wasn't going to do it for sure. His four years in office shows as much. Trump had no business negotiating with the taliban his last year in office. Everything is a big show for trump to tout his own image.

 

[Brihaha]

Per Psaki:

They didn't bring the equipment home because 300,000 Afghanistan deserters (aka soldiers) told them they needed them to battle the Talisman.

The 300,000 deserters are the real villains here.

The U.S. will continue to work with relief organizations and NGO's to make sure people can evacuate safely.

Erik Prince is offering plane rides to people fif $6500. Trust the DeVos family to capitalize the event.

What's he calling it Amway Airlines? Prince Pyramid Pilots?

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Erik Prince is offering plane rides to people fif $6500. Trust the DeVos family to capitalize the event.

Have you ever financed the operation of commercial jets? $6500 sounds cheap for a plane ride out of Hell.

 

[Fantine]

It depends on how many people are being transported.

Erik Prince offers $6,500-a-seat flights from Afghanistan, report says

The article said it was unclear whether Prince — who founded the military security firm formerly known as Blackwater — was capable of carrying out such rescue missions and flights.

The White House criticized any attempts for private actors to make money off the evacuations, with Press Secretary Jen Psaki noting Wednesday the Biden administration is evacuating tens of thousands of people free of charge.

"We wouldn't be supportive of profiting off of people who are desperate to get out of the country," she said.

 

[Albion]

It's messy. Of course it's messy. That's why Trump dragged his feet...he's only good at avoiding responsibility for problems, not solving any.

Well, he'd solved this one! Then of course came Biden.

These are hard times, but we will get over it.

diversion

We will continue to fight terrorism--as we do in Africa and, sad to say, in the U.S. with domestic terrorism as well.

diversion

 

[Fantine]

If Trump had "solved" the exit plan, why didn't he implement it? He had 9 months to accomplish it. It would have distracted the American public from that pesky pandemic and given him a "win" to carry him to victory last November (not the 7 million vote loss he justifiably suffered.)

But of course he knew it would be messy. He knew it wouldn't be a win. Why, just the thought of trying to conduct an operation probably gave him a recurrence of heel spurs.

 

[Albion]

Oliva Troye, a former top aide to Mike Pence who resigned in protest, has placed the blame on Trump’s xenophobic adviser Stephen Miller, saying he peddled “racist hysteria” in White House meetings about bringing Afghan allies to the U.S.

For more information on how Trump Administration xenophobia prevented our leaving Afghanistan earlier read the whole transcript.

Oh, yeah. Olivia Troye, the activist with the "Republican Voters Against Trump" organization who endorsed Biden for President and who also made a video attacking Trump.

Really an impartial and trustworthy observer, that one.

 

[Albion]

News flash:

The last American military flight out of Afghanistan has lifted off and the commander of our forces there says that Biden will continue trying to get the Americans he abandoned there out of the country somehow.

I cannot wait for the various ways that this will be spun to make it look like a triumph for the Biden Administration.

 

[Dave G.]

'Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.' 2024 isn't passed yet.

We may not make it there at this rate !

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

It depends on how many people are being transported.

Erik Prince offers $6,500-a-seat flights from Afghanistan, report says

I'd be thankful for even the possibility of a flight out of Hell. $6500 is bargain basement for that.

 

[Blade]

Did we see what Joe Bidens evac left the Taliban? Go look...its shocking.

 

[Fantine]

Oh, yeah. Olivia Troye, the activist with the "Republican Voters Against Trump" organization who endorsed Biden for President and who also made a video attacking Trump.

Really an impartial and trustworthy observer, that one.

Republicans against Trump are the only ones i trust. The Republican Party needs to go back to its roots and repudiate the caricature their party has become.

 

[Albion]

Republicans against Trump are the only ones i trust.

Then my point would seem to have been proven.

 

[Fantine]

Did we see what Joe Bidens evac left the Taliban? Go look...its shocking.

They can send out drones to bomb them. They left them for the Afghan Army who fled instead of fighting.
Perhaps leaders like Biden are honorable and trust others to do as they pledged.
Dishonorable leaders who know the darkness in their own hearts trust no one--but I believe that is a worse drawback.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

Perhaps leaders like Biden are honorable and trust others to do as they pledged.

"Trust"? Only with a side-eye out at all times, thank you.

Dishonorable leaders who know the darkness in their own hearts trust no one--but I believe that is a worse drawback.

Trump somewhat honored your trust fantasy (that’s all it can ever be, since all men have darkness in their hearts) in at least trying to work with Kim and Vladimir. Did you appreciate his good hearted "trust" then?

 

[BobRyan]

For more information on how Trump Administration xenophobia prevented our leaving Afghanistan earlier read the whole transcript.

Any time we see a blunder in the current admin -- please resort to "imagining" how a Trump Admin still in office today would have done worse - because at this point the only good news we have is "imagining Trump would do worse".

Our credibility is at rock bottom: Former George W. Bush administration official on Afghanistan withdrawal (msn.com)

 

[AvilaSurfer]

LOLOL The obsession is strong with this one.

 

[BobRyan]

LOLOL The obsession is strong with this one.

Good observation. It is now come to the point that failing to find an example in real life that makes the current blunders "look good by comparison" one needs to "ask that we all imagine such a scenario exists where Trump is currently president and is failing even more so than Biden in managing our presence in Afghanistan - and remembering why we went there in the first place after 9/11".

 

[Desk trauma]

W can only speculate. Saying it would have gone well or awful does nothing to change the reality of how it did go.

 

[JacksBratt]

Are you devaluing the 116,000 Afghanistan citizens with SVI who would have been deprive asylum had Trump conducted the evacuation, due to Steven Miller's toxic xenophobia?

Nope.. the thread is about "what if".

You did say, "It doesn't matter at all."

I am referring to the speculation that is going on here. For some reason people want to speculate about the assumed actions of a man who is no longer in power.
I believe that "what if's" are of no use. Arguing about what a man would have done is wasted energy.

Just look at what really happened. That is what is really important.

Are 122,000 evacuations an "atrocity?" Especially since so little had been done previously to grant SVI visas to those who helped us on the ground? I think it is a blessing.

Was it an atrocity that our equipment was not moved? When 300,000 Afghan soldiers (aka deserters now) said they needed them to defend their country, were we supposed to ignore that? Call them "liars" and "losers?" (As some would have done...) We gave them a chance. They blew it.

It's messy. Of course it's messy. That's why Trump dragged his feet...he's only good at avoiding responsibility for problems, not solving any.

These are hard times, but we will get over it. We have tried to undo the collapse in international relations caused by Trump. We will continue to try to give any people stranded safe passage.

We will continue to fight terrorism--as we do in Africa and, sad to say, in the U.S. with domestic terrorism as well.

We are doomed if we don't study history... Like the actions of Biden and his administration in the last two historic weeks. They are fact. They are truth.

It's humerus, in my opinion, that people keep blaming Trump. Maybe, just maybe, blame should be fully placed on the shoulders of those that actually took the actions that lead to this blunder. Anything Trump did or would have done is not an issue. Biden had all the power and all the resources to do it right.