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[Godshouse777]

Here is an interesting study conducted by Barna research in 2003.
Of the ten moral behaviors evaluated, a majority of Americans believed that each of three activities were 'morally acceptable.' Those included:
Gambling (61%),
Co-habitation (60%)
Sexual fantasies (59%).

Nearly half of the adult population felt that two other behaviors were morally acceptable:
Having an abortion (45%)
Having a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex other than their spouse (42%).

About one-third of the population gave the stamp of approval to:
Pornography (38%)
Profanity (36%)
Drunkenness (35%)
Homosexual sex (30%)

The activity that garnered the least support was using non-prescription drugs (17%).
(Barna Research, November, 2003)

 

[Beoga]

sad

 

[savvy]

Hey, I like indulging in my sexual fantasies while having drunken sex with people who are female or not my husband, whilst gambling that I won't get pregnant and have to have a moral abortion!
Dang it, I couldn't fit them all in.

 

[flicka]

Here is an interesting study conducted by Barna research in 2003.
Of the ten moral behaviors evaluated, a majority of Americans believed that each of three activities were 'morally acceptable.' Those included:
Gambling (61%),

I don't think gambling is immoral...but it can be addictive and dangerous.

Co-habitation (60%)

I don't have a problem with this one either.

Sexual fantasies (59%).

Well, everyone has them (and if they say they don't they are lying ..)

Nearly half of the adult population felt that two other behaviors were morally acceptable:
Having an abortion (45%)

Get's back to the 'when does life begin' question...can't be considered immoral if it's not considered life.

Having a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex other than their spouse (42%).

Uhh...I'm gunna have to say this is just weird

About one-third of the population gave the stamp of approval to:
Pornography (38%)

Depends. Erotica can be benificial to couples altho the hardcore stuff makes me uncomfortable.

Profanity (36%)

Don't like to hear it but I'm guilty. I don't think of its as a moral issue tho.

Drunkenness (35%)

Again, addiction is bad and unhealthy...but immoral? I don't know

Homosexual sex (30%)

Only if your not a homosexual

The activity that garnered the least support was using non-prescription drugs (17%).

That depends on the drug. Over the counter stuff or totally illegal? Even then I don't consider occasional pot use immoral.

(Barna Research, November, 2003)

BTW, I consider myself a very moral person.

 

[Mystofolyse]

hmmmm....wonder if this matters

 

[philosopherthales]

"Well, everyone has them (and if they say they don't they are lying ..)"

I am not saying that sexual fantasies are acceptable or not but I just want to point this out. The argument that everyone else does it is an absolutely horrible one.

 

[flicka]

"Well, everyone has them (and if they say they don't they are lying ..)"

I am not saying that sexual fantasies are acceptable or not but I just want to point this out. The argument that everyone else does it is an absolutely horrible one.

How so?

 

[philosopherthales]

Well, then as there is greater moral decay in our society, under the logic of "everyone else does it", that moral decay would become more exceptable. Quite the opposite is true. As moral decay goes on, that is when it becomes more dangerous and should be fought harder.

It also has to do with subjective morality vs. objective. If there is objective morality, then whether other people do something says nothing of the morality of an action. If there is true morality, then there is objective morallity. It seems to me that you are rejecting the idea off morality altogether, and not just these items specifically.

Do you think killing is objectively wrong? Well, is killing if everyone kills ok?

You have to come up with more than just: everyone else does it...

 

[flicka]

Well, then as there is greater moral decay in our society, under the logic of "everyone else does it", that moral decay would become more exceptable. Quite the opposite is true. As moral decay goes on, that is when it becomes more dangerous and should be fought harder.

It also has to do with subjective morality vs. objective. If there is objective morality, then whether other people do something says nothing of the morality of an action. If there is true morality, then there is objective morallity. It seems to me that you are rejecting the idea off morality altogether, and not just these items specifically.

Do you think killing is objectively wrong? Well, is killing if everyone kills ok?

You have to come up with more than just: everyone else does it...

Ahh, you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to imply because everyone does it that it makes it right. Everyone does it because we are inherently built to do it...as sexual creatures we have sexual thoughts. It's part of what we are, it's harmless and healthy and THAT is why I say it's not immoral.

 

[Murmur]

Hmm... The only ones I haven't done are cheat on my lover and have an abortion. Guess that makes me the odd bird, no?

 

[Godshouse777]

The problem is,
Man was born into a sinful world with the capabilities and inherent nature to do every damnable thing that exists. The homosexual says he was born gay, the alcoholic says he was born with an addictive personality, countless studys show that even the serial killer is born with certain mental tendencies.
Other behaviors are learned behaviors, but stop for a moment and remember who introduced these behaviors to you; This SINFUL world. (If you don't believe that the world is sinful, you disagree with the bible, and well, that is a whole new topic.)

Make no mistake, the moral issues listed above are WRONG. If you don't believe they are, go and indulge yourself into each and every area. After all, they're "harmless" and "inherent" and even "healthy." When you have had your fill of them, post a topic on this board and tell us how clear your conscience is afterwards, so that all of us who disagree can be released from this wicked yoke of purity and prudence.

 

[Norea]

Godhouse define morals and values for us? You seem to define them as anti-values or basically what an entity values to themselves. And as for morals they must follow a path of values that the entity accepts.

So technically EVERYONE HAS MORALS. The values we accept are 1) Love of one's life. 2) Love of one's liberty and 3) Love of one's property. I see nothing in your stats that showed anything ammoral. They follow the most basic human prinnciples we all value. You seem to think that a killer is equivocal to a consentual homosexual act. And the same with the alcoholic. They are not. Because murder violates rule 1 in my value chain. Please try again.

-- Bridget

 

[Nathan David]

Make no mistake, the moral issues listed above are WRONG. If you don't believe they are, go and indulge yourself into each and every area. After all, they're "harmless" and "inherent" and even "healthy." When you have had your fill of them, post a topic on this board and tell us how clear your conscience is afterwards

Gambling: check. Just bought a Powerball ticket last week.

Co-habitation: Haven't done it yet because I'm picky. I sleep over at my girlfriend's house and she sleeps over at mine though.

Sexual fantasies: check. How could anyone possibly think sexual fantasies are immoral? What if it's about your spouse?

Having an abortion: I am biologically unable to do this.

Having a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex other than their spouse: I'm confused about how this is phrased. I have never been married. I have had several sexual relationships with people I wasn't married to (none of them were married to anyone else).

Pornography: check. Was more interesting when I was younger.

Profanity: f*#% yeah.

Drunkenness: check. Last Sunday.

Homosexual sex: no, thanks.

Well, my conscience is clear!

 

[disunity]

The problem is,
Man was born into a sinful world with the capabilities and inherent nature to do every damnable thing that exists. The homosexual says he was born gay, the alcoholic says he was born with an addictive personality, countless studys show that even the serial killer is born with certain mental tendencies.
Other behaviors are learned behaviors, but stop for a moment and remember who introduced these behaviors to you; This SINFUL world. (If you don't believe that the world is sinful, you disagree with the bible, and well, that is a whole new topic.)

Make no mistake, the moral issues listed above are WRONG. If you don't believe they are, go and indulge yourself into each and every area. After all, they're "harmless" and "inherent" and even "healthy." When you have had your fill of them, post a topic on this board and tell us how clear your conscience is afterwards, so that all of us who disagree can be released from this wicked yoke of purity and prudence.

You lumped gay people in the same category as serial killers .. if that's not out and out hatred of people then I don't know what it is. I thought Jesus taught you as a Christian (assuming you are?) to love people, not be filled with hate for them.

 

[Clem is Me]

I think, as with all things, it's a simple question of moderation.

 

[Norea]

Well I'm an evil bi [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] grrl so I'm moderately considered insane by some.

-- Bridget

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I think, as with all things, it's a simple question of moderation.

I wonder how moderate adultery would work...

 

[Clem is Me]

I have seen people use it effectively. It's an art, to be sure. But I think most folks invest far to heavily in their ralationships anyway.

 

[The Bellman]

Make no mistake, the moral issues listed above are WRONG. If you don't believe they are, go and indulge yourself into each and every area. After all, they're "harmless" and "inherent" and even "healthy." When you have had your fill of them, post a topic on this board and tell us how clear your conscience is afterwards, so that all of us who disagree can be released from this wicked yoke of purity and prudence.

Sorry, but that they are wrong is your OPINION, and no more. There's no definable absolute standard of morality you can point to to demonstrate that they are wrong. Obviously, many people believe that they AREN'T wrong, and their opinion has just as much validity as yours.

And I've done nearly all of them, and my conscience is absolutely fine.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Sexual fantasies (59%)

I can understand you being shocked by a few of the items on the list, but sexual fantasies?