What a bunch of......

[Routerider]

Bullcrap!! Read this article and pay special attention at the last part. This article was supposed to be some shoddy article on how Christians respond to public pressures in the UK.
They suggest a root cause to this and other moral issues faced by our society and I whole heartedly disagree.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0621UK_headlines.asp

 

[mikeynov]

Just as a thought, the writers for AIG are nuts.

This should explain most of the insanity you'd encounter when reading their website.

 

[Routerider]

This is the paragraph that blew me away:

Stories like these are the latest in a series of insults to the Christian faith in the UK. For hundreds of years, most British people believed the Bible and they worshipped the God of the Bible—the Creator who became the Saviour. Then in the mid 1800s, with the publication of Darwin’s Origin of Species, the British people, led by the clergy, began to reject the biblical account in Genesis of the creation and early history of the world, and to accept the evolutionary account.5 Since that time, church attendance has steadily declined and many churches have closed, only to re-open as supermarkets, carpet salerooms, nightclubs and even mosques or temples!

I don't know about anyone else but I can't go two blocks down the road w/o driving by a Christian church. I think the writer is a bit paranoid.

 

[Osiris]

This is what happens when the nation rejects the teaching of the book of Genesis, and substitutes, instead, the idea that everything has come about from nothing as a result of chance natural processes and random mutations operating over millions of years.

Evolution teaches that everything has come from nothing?

Hey Routerider, I really didn't like that article, I don't know if I should be mad at the writers or you for introducing it to us.

Hehe, just kidding.

It is really bad that people misinform others with their unsupported believes, but it's really worse when they try to make supported facts out to be what their beliefs claim (its like, if you can't beat them, join them). I have noticed this alot in Islam, they try to use science to arrive to their conclusion, only to find out that in order to arrive to their conclusion they have to use some form of faulty logic. The reason I say this is worse is because they not only make god to be on their side, but make out science and facts to be on their side as well and that would make people more gullible and easy prey if they have no background of what is presented to them.

Hey, I got off topic... sorry.
And I'm too lazy to erase, too many words, plus the mouse is really close to submit reply.

 

[Hydra009]

This is the paragraph that blew me away

lol. And it's a logical fallacy to boot. Post hoc ergo propter hoc

You can have lots of fun with arguments like this. Here are a few examples:

Since WWII, church membership has declined steadily. Therefore, WWII is the reason that church membership has declined.

I thought about calling a friend of mine, then he called me. My friend called me because I thought about calling him. I am psychic.

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You know what I think? I think that part of the reason church membership is dropping is because of people like AIG.

 

[raphael_aa]

I think simnplistic paranoia lies very close to the heart of views that create an 'us' and 'them' mentality. Incidentally, I think this kind of thinking is miles away from the inclusive generosity of the gospel.

 

[Ryupower]

This is the paragraph that blew me away:




I don't know about anyone else but I can't go two blocks down the road w/o driving by a Christian church. I think the writer is a bit paranoid.

Your stats says you live in the US, the UK's different, in fact, the whole worlds different from the US conscerning Christianity.

There's NO PLACE ON EARTH that's as Christian as the US.
If you go by the creation account in Genesis, 24% (if I remember right) believe in it in America, 5% in Australia, and less than 1% in Europe.


And Australia's right after America in the 'on fire for Christ' scale.

I had a tough time in Germany finding a pentacostal or non-dinominational Church in Germany, they're all Catholics, Lutherans, and on some rare occasions (only in big cities) a baptist Church.

While America's got those, as well as Presbytarians, Anglicans, Pentacostal (sp?) , non-denominational, Methodist, calvinists, and what not.


Then again, Great Britains pretty on fire (for Europe) too, but nothing compared to US....

 

[Self Improvement]

Christians have such a persecution complex.

 

[Self Improvement]

And I would also like to mention that I am very pleased with what is happening to Christianity in Europe.

 

[nvxplorer]

lol. Add it's a logical fallacy to boot. Post hoc ergo propter hoc

You can have lots of fun with arguments like this. Here are a few examples:

Since WWII, church membership has declined steadily. Therefore, WWII is the reason that church membership has declined.

I thought about calling a friend of mine, then he called me. My friend called me because I thought about calling him. I am psychic.

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You know what I think? I think that part of the reason church membership is dropping is because of people like AIG.

Sorry to get off topic momentarily, but that fallacy comes up often. Last night I was arguing with people who think marijuana is a gateway drug. Same fallacy. Same type of lie. Same naive souls who fall for it.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

And I would also like to mention that I am very pleased with what is happening to Christianity in Europe.

Let's see how pleased you are when Islam takes over and butchers you for being an "infidel". (Assuming you are in Europe)

 

[Grengor]

Let's see how pleased you are when Islam takes over and butchers you for being an "infidel". (Assuming you are in Europe)

I seriously hope you are not serious, that is such an ignorant thing to say.
http://drhassaballa.blogspot.com/2005/04/does-islam-call-for-murder-of-infidels.html

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I seriously hope you are not serious, that is such an ignorant thing to say.
http://drhassaballa.blogspot.com/2005/04/does-islam-call-for-murder-of-infidels.html

Reality and his blog post don't match up, sorry. Apparently the application of the religion doesn't match its scriptures, if one is to believe his assertion that their scripture really is peaceful.

I'm all too familiar with the Islamic record for persecution of Christians...those whom they call "people of the book" and are generally supposed to not kill. There is no such prohibition on murdering atheistic "pagans" however.

 

[Illuminatus]

Let's see how pleased you are when Islam takes over and butchers you for being an "infidel".

I know around 20-25 Muslims, and see a few every day. I guess I'm just really, really lucky that I haven't been slaughtered in mid-step yet, huh?

 

[Jet Black]

Leicester is a mostly muslim city. complaining about the removal of bibles from leiceter is like complaining about the lack of bibles in Saudi Arabian hospitals. anyway, articles like that are the reason that people reject christianity, not any of the reasons mentioned in the article. AIG just make christianity look foolish.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Where to start?

The US has the higher rate of churchgoing, but does that make it more Christian? It doesn't necessary follow.

I'm even less convinced that acceptance of a literal interpretation of Genessi 1-11 is a measure of Christian-ness. I personally think it measures rather different factors, such as being part of a strange cultural phenomenon.

When I use a different measure, such as progress in fields such as trade justice, fair trade and social justice (IMHO) I would suggest the "more Christian than thou" status of the US falls rather short.

 

[Tenka]

Let's see how pleased you are when Islam takes over and butchers you for being an "infidel". (Assuming you are in Europe)

Or what if the Wiccans took over??? They would sacrifice us to their trees!!!!


Or if the Christians take over again, they will sacrifice the Wiccans ON trees!

 

[jlerollin]

i happen to think that the theory of evolution can weaken someones faith if they are taught that the genesis account is historically true. i.e. god created the world in 7 days, sent a flood, repopulated from noah, they either have to readjust and reinterpret genesis purely mythologically which can lead to interpreting other miracles in the bible in the same way and essentially robing God of his deity ( what is a god if he cant do miracles ) once the deity of God is in question, you can question lots of things in the old testament, socially inappropriate teaching in the newtestament,
most of the churches in town are converted or unused soon to be converted. church closure is an epidemic, though there are newer churches opening all the time as well.

 

[notto]

i happen to think that the theory of evolution can weaken someones faith if they are taught that the genesis account is historically true.

So it would seem that the teaching that the genesis account is historically true would be what weakens their faith when confronted with the reality of the creation and what we really find when we go and look at God's work directly. If that is the case, why do YEC's continue to push bad science and a theology that doesn't match the creation we have before us?

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I know around 20-25 Muslims, and see a few every day. I guess I'm just really, really lucky that I haven't been slaughtered in mid-step yet, huh?

Nope, you just happen to not live in a country dominated by them nor are you living under their religious laws.