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This. Address the idea, not the person. The person is a work in progress. Many would have harshly condemned David for having Bathsheba's husband killed - and they would not be wrong. But God said he was a man after his own heart. You don't know the end so don't judge that. However, we are to stand against wrong teaching by those inside the church.I think we're on safer ground addressing questions of doctrine as opposed to personalities. Paul does call out certain persons that were enemies of Christ and false Christians, in fact he says he would that they would emasculate themselves (Galatians 5:12); but I'm not Paul so I don't feel comfortable making such a statement. I do believe we should be very vigilant about the spread of false doctrine and corruption of doctrine in the Church. I think if you go after doctrine over people you're less likely to be playing a game of false shepherd whack-a-mole, although the works of evil should be exposed generally so take it for what it's worth.
By their words they will be justified and by their words they will be condemned. Focus on the words.EDIT I've edited the following in order to get what I need to say, said, but stay within the guidelines of what is allowed to be said on CF.
As mentioned, do at least some research, but chances are you'll find several hucksters that it's our duty to call out, when and where we can, and I wouldn't have the least bit of a problem doing so. Some false prophets put on a fairly convincing show, and by trickery, make themselves appear holy (just what some like to see) and If we care for our Christian brother, what else can we do but expose the quacks. Enough speak against them, regardless of the toes that get stepped on, the better the chance at least a few will see, and get out.
Ephesians 5:11 ESV
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
And if there ever were "works of darkness", it's the work of false prophets.
This. Address the idea, not the person. The person is a work in progress.
It’s because those who are calling out false teachers by name are false teachers themselves.Hello,
There just seems to be tension surrounding the whole thing. But why? If someone is misleading the church, why shouldn’t we call them out by name? I don’t know if I really get it.
Thanks guys.
God bless.
The Apostle paul called out a fellow Apostle peter for not applying his correct theology in the right way, and Paul also labeled those teaching another Gospel and another Jesus as deserving eternal hell!Hello,
There just seems to be tension surrounding the whole thing. But why? If someone is misleading the church, why shouldn’t we call them out by name? I don’t know if I really get it.
Thanks guys.
God bless.
That has a tendency to lead to an escalation around here, so it's avoided. My approach is to focus on the doctrine, if it's a false doctrine it's probably nothing all that new. If I think someone is promoting say, a Pelagian error I'll just take them to task in the Scriptures, no need in trying to brand someone. It's important to contrast error with sound doctrine, the person promoting the error might have stumbled into it innocently enough. You just need to know the Scriptures well enough to guide around personal allegations, it's kind of a distraction anyway when you think about it.Hello,
There just seems to be tension surrounding the whole thing. But why? If someone is misleading the church, why shouldn’t we call them out by name? I don’t know if I really get it.
Thanks guys.
God bless.
If you see a blind man who has just fallen in a ditch......would you go and call him out.....point and tell others to look at how this blind man fell in when I can clearly see the ditch and walk around it?Hello,
There just seems to be tension surrounding the whole thing. But why? If someone is misleading the church, why shouldn’t we call them out by name? I don’t know if I really get it.
Thanks guys.
God bless.
I suffered depression, anxiety and stress disorder. Where was my ladder when i needed one? WOF/Charismatics followers accused me of denying the Lord and tried to cast out my demons. Do you understand how damaging those accusations are to a person having mental problems? All i really needed was a little understanding, not judgment. Their faith couldnt heal anything or cast out anything. All they did was damage me more.If you see a blind man who has just fallen in a ditch......would you go and call him out.....point and tell others to look at how this blind man fell in when I can clearly see the ditch and walk around it?
Most people do and teach what they believe is right.....there are very few who are teaching incorrect doctrine who knows the truth.....And can we blame them? Arent we all eager to go and tell the world what "we know" right after we believe we are saved?
So why not grab a ladder and help the man out, instead of pointing and exclaiming that one has fallen?
When you reach your journeys end (Im not talking about death), you will be greater than you ever imagined you could be......Then you will understand why you went through everything you went through and understand the role of everyone in your life who helped you get there......even the ones who meant you harm... What was meant for evil, God has turned it around for your good.I suffered depression, anxiety and stress disorder. Where was my ladder when i needed one? WOF followers accused me of denying the Lord and tried to cast out my demons. Do you understand how damaging those accusations are to a person having mental problems? All i really needed was a little understanding, not judgment.
Just to add, we can't be calling out people we think are false teachers by name because it's not our job to do so. Paul did it but we are not him. You may not know that person'S relationship with the lord in actuality and if they are sheep, it would be a stumbling sin to calm them out. 1 John 2 reminds us that Christ has room for children, young men and older men in His church. These are all stages of spiritual growth. It may be a case of poor interpretation or otherwise of scripture without evil intent. I say, let the true church focus on teaching the word/sound doctrine and the sheep will know what's good for them.Hello,
There just seems to be tension surrounding the whole thing. But why? If someone is misleading the church, why shouldn’t we call them out by name? I don’t know if I really get it.
Thanks guys.
God bless.
I agree with teachers who lived like the apostles did. I dont agree with preachers who get rich selling their doctrine. Jesus is free.Just to add, we can't be calling out people we think are false teachers by name because it's not our job to do so. Paul did it but we are not him. You may not know that person'S relationship with the lord in actuality and if they are sheep, it would be a stumbling sin to calm them out. 1 John 2 reminds us that Christ has room for children, young men and older men in His church. These are all stages of spiritual growth. It may be a case of poor interpretation or otherwise of scripture without evil intent. I say, let the true church focus on teaching the word/sound doctrine and the sheep will know what's good for them.
You are just as rich as the preachers you speak of......you just dont know it yet....... somewhat like the brother of the prodigal son after he viewed the homecoming party.I agree with teachers who lived like the apostles did. I dont agree with preachers who get rich selling their doctrine. Jesus is free.
The apostles were not rich. They surely would not have gotten rich selling the Gospel. They are our examples to follow. How any teacher can take money he earned and buy a mansion while people are actually starving in this world, that shows a lack of discernment and i would never follow such a person. Maybe i'll get labeled as a judge again for saying this?You are just as rich as the preachers you speak of......you just dont know it yet....... somewhat like the brother of the prodigal son after he viewed the homecoming party.
But I cant say more, lest i be labeled with the prosperity preachers.....the oper does like them either.
Hello,
There just seems to be tension surrounding the whole thing. But why? If someone is misleading the church, why shouldn’t we call them out by name? I don’t know if I really get it.
Thanks guys.
God bless.
Hello,
There just seems to be tension surrounding the whole thing. But why? If someone is misleading the church, why shouldn’t we call them out by name? I don’t know if I really get it.
Thanks guys.
God bless.
Hello,
There just seems to be tension surrounding the whole thing. But why? If someone is misleading the church, why shouldn’t we call them out by name? I don’t know if I really get it.
Thanks guys.
God bless.
They were rich......Maybe not your idea of rich. We dont all have the same tastes and desires. Some desire minivans, while others sports cars. I would not tell the one, who wants the minivan, that he has to have the sports car instead.... For they wont like it because it is not what they desire...The apostles were not rich. They surely would not have gotten rich selling the Gospel. They are our examples to follow. How any teacher can take money he earned and buy a mansion while people are actually starving in this world, that shows a lack of discernment and i would never follow such a person. Maybe i'll get labeled as a judge again for saying this?
Hi
In today's PC world, you will get "tension" if you expose a false prophet.
My opinion is lack of calling out false prophets is partly why we are in such a great falling away and why evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
To much ear tickling and not enough rebuking with love.
But both Paul and John did it in the bible.
Even named them, Alexander the copper smith, Demus, Diotrephes,, etc.
First, make sure you are correct, it's not good to spread false rumors and gossip. (Pro 6)
Always go with the direction in Matt 18:15-17, And then you have a duty to warn others about the false prophet.
Read Eze chapter 3 and chapter 33 for further direction on your responsibility.
M. Jackson isnt a teacher and i have no desire to follow or judge his lifestyle. Im referring to teachers. The apostles were not rich. They endured hunger, nakedness and sleepless nights.They were rich......Maybe not your idea of rich. We dont all have the same tastes and desires. Some desire minivans, while others sports cars. I would not tell the one, who wants the minivan, that he has to have the sports car instead.... For they wont like it because it is not what they desire...
Also note that there are many who are employed by those mansion and their upkeep. Hundreds were devastated when MJackson died. His mansion kept their kids fed and clothed....now they felt they were out on the streets not knowing how they will take care of their families... Now if you had it your way, it seems, they would have been out on the street long before MJ died......you would have helped add to the list of people and families that are homeless and starving. When you buy a mansion you employ many, feed many, help many.....
This is way it is important that we ourselves do what we can to help the homeless and starving and not try an dictate what others should do.
But I find no fault in anything that you believe......
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