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As I said, that wouldn't be any more miraculous than what he's already done.quite! I asked why doesn’t your God address the entire world in an audible voice at the same time in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we have of him
No more specific than the many other specific miracles that people rationalize away.Now I don’t know if you would consider this a miracle, but if you do it would be a SPECIFIC miracle...
There was a man auditioning for the circus. He stood in the middle of the ring and began flapping his arms like mad. He took off into the air, circled the tent three times, did a figure 8 between the trapeze ropes, barrel-rolled through the flaming hoops, and set himself gently back down where he started.But did he perform the specific miracle (if that’s what you want to call it) that I mentioned? No! so you didn’t address my question.
I'm not sure what misconceptions you're talking about. You mean the one about how he wants us to treat each other with dignity? Most people know that one already, and the ones like it.Because you misquoted my original question, you started in the wrong direction and the remainder of your response continues in the wrong direction thus you are answering questions I didn’t even ask; not the question I did ask.
I already answered that one: many people would instantly hate him forever and decide to spend eternity separated from him.Let’s try again; What’s the worse that can happen if your God addressed the entire world at once in an audible voice, in a language we can each understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we have of him.
At that level of awareness, it's not possible to ignore God. You can adhere to him or reject him, but not ignore him. That goes for Satan as well.This one you’ve got half right. Yes you will know he exists, but I never said you can’t ignore him. Satan knows God exists right? But does he bind himself to God in a mutual exchange of love? No! he disobeys, and ignores God. Now logic tells you that if Satan is able to know God exist and can still reject, or ignore him, so should you; right?
I wasn't talking about being shown the correctness of some abstract intellectual proposition, I was talking about being shown some distasteful aspect of my own personality by someone significant to me.thanks for the honest assessment. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be admitting that you are the type of person who when proven wrong; rather than admit to your mistake and change your position, you become irritated and “dig in” so you don’t have to change your mind.
I am not that way;...
Whats the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once, in an audible voice; in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we humans have of him?
Why doesnt he do it?
Ken
It is NOT a part of His plan that He created in eternity past.
That is why He gave us His written Word. I don't need to "hear" Him, for my TRUST is complete through His word.
The Lord is NOT a Genie for our never ending whims.
How do you make that "leap???" How do you equate God clearing up the misunderstandings everyone has of him, to him being a "Genie for our never ending whims"!
You've totally lost me on that one; please explain.
Ken
This is the way I think about it.........
I know He won't talk "now" to us, so when people say things like that, it's like they want Him to do a Genie thing, like speak now. Why would anyone even want to speculate/wish/dream on this?! It is just so beyond the way I think as a rational christian.
"The WORD of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the didviding usunder, the soul and the spirit, the joints of the marrow, and is the thought and critic and intense of the heart. All scripture is God breathed, and is profitable, for doctrine, for re-proof, for correction for instructions in righteouness, that the man of God might be mature, thouroughly furnished unto all good works".
I will see the Lord one day and to me it would make no difference to me if He was to speak now (which will not happen in this church age). So I guess I just don't give things like this even a first thought. His voice would not make me love Him more, for sometimes now I think I will burst from how much I love and appreciate Him. It is all due to His word.
Can't explain it any better.
Who cares about miracles? The reason is to clear up the misunderstandings everyone has of him. Did you even read what I wrote?
In all fairness Ken, not everyone has misunderstandings about God . He did talk to the people of Israel in a loud , clear voice , and showed them many miraculous things. Then He sent Jesus here , who did quite a few things for our benefit .
This is a playing games thread.
The worst that could happen is that you will reject God anyway (even though He has revealed Himself to us already). Then you'll experience God's Love for eternity and suffer for it- .
Is that it? That some people will reject God anyway? Well we got that now! except we have the majority rejecting (or not worshiping) this God! Seems to me it can't hurt but can certainly help; so why doesn't he do it?
Ken
Matthew 20
The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
1 For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 and said to them, You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you. So they went. 5 Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle,[a] and said to them, Why have you been standing here idle all day? 7 They said to him, Because no one hired us. He said to them, You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.
8 So when evening had come, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, Call the laborers and give them their wages, beginning with the last to the first. 9 And when those came who were hired about the eleventh hour, they each received a denarius. 10 But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius. 11 And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner, 12 saying, These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day. 13 But he answered one of them and said, Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14 Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. 15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good? 16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen.
Whats the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once, in an audible voice; in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we humans have of him?
Why doesnt he do it?
Ken
We are so rich to live in an era when believing is easy. We have the blessing of retrospect, religious freedom and religious diversity. There is very little stopping a person from asking for faith. It is predestination at work and the natural process of Jesus sorting wheat from chaff. If you don't feel chosen Ken then it would be wise to ask Jesus why not.
People would think it was the Vogons..."Apathetic b***** planet, really. I've got no use for it"
That's what you would need to ask Him, have you never considered asking Jesus, Osirus, Allah and Vishnu?
You’re asking for one, so it seems that you do.…Who cares about miracles?
I’m thinking that the most significant misunderstanding is about whether or not he exists at all, so that’s what I addressed.…The reason is to clear up the misunderstandings everyone has of him. Did you even read what I wrote?
Freudian slip?… Don’t get me wrong, I am far from perfect; I have plenty of faults, but an ability to admit I don’t know everything, and could possibly be wrong is not one them.
You seem intent on ignoring the premise of your question when it suits you.…I may agree that many who assume Christian theology is correct may suffer from a level of self-deception; but remember; I’m the atheist! So I’m gonna let you speak for yourself (and maybe others who think like you) on that one kool?
What’s the worst that can happen if God were to address the entire world at once, in an audible voice; in a language that each of us can understand to clear up all the misunderstandings we humans have of him?
Why doesn’t he do it?
Ken
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