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People gravitate toward what can help them find the truth, or what enables them to keep living a lie. They do this even within Christianity and other religions. They either seek to be made well, or seek to use their religious dogma to portray themselves as righteous and others as unrighteous. So, of course their is something wrong with it, but people are free to make wrong choices.If a VOICE came from the sky, there might be slight differences, but nothing like we have now. How many different Gods and religions are they? How many different denominations and sects are in each of those religions?
Again; do you not see a problem with this?
Ken
I'm talking about stuff that is happening TODAY - it's the same gospel, the same covenant, people are still being transformed from afraid and confused into sons & daughters of God with his attributes and signs following.
If you are sincere, get to a meeing where you will meet these people and experience the signs, gifts and ministries of Jesus Christ.
God is addressing people of all countries, misunderstandings people have are being cleared up. If you chosse not to visit where God's presence is, all these people are witnesses against you. I hope rather you come, with a sincere desire to know God.
People gravitate toward what can help them find the truth, or what enables them to keep living a lie. They do this even within Christianity and other religions. They either seek to be made well, or seek to use their religious dogma to portray themselves as righteous and others as unrighteous. So, of course their is something wrong with it, but people are free to make wrong choices.
What are you talking about? When did this ever happen?
Ken
I actually agree with that. The religious leaders in the days of Jesus' ministry wanted him gone even though they saw him performing miracles, because he was exposing their bad motives. People either want to listen to God, or they don't.
No, I don't really think it would work, ... people make wrong choices because they want to do stuff that makes them look good. Of course this is easier. God deals in truth, not making things easier. But, once people really look inside, that is not as difficult as they imagined, while keeping up false pretence requires much more maintenance than they first imagined.But the way the system is designed; it is real easy for people to make the wrong choices. Now if a voice came from the sky, all of those wrong choices can be made right; dont cha think?
K
(reply)So why didnt he (Jesus Himself) write anything down? Why did he set up a system that required men (with alternative motives) to record his message?
Again; nobody knows what he said, we only have what men claimed he said
It seems to me if God did as you claim; spoke to everyone personally, he would give everyone the same message! But as you know that aint true! The messages people claim to get from God vary from person to person.
I wrote: No! Because when it happened it was the first time in our history that a large enough area was connected by common language and roads to be sure that the facts of the event would never get wiped out.
God waited an awfully long time to do that, and He's not doing it again.
Using the blue arrows you could go back further, to see what you said that this was in response to, which I highly recommend. My reference is to the Incarnation, the Logos (very advanced concept for such a little word) made flesh, Emmanuel; G-d with us.
If a VOICE came from the sky, there might be slight differences, but nothing like we have now.
No, I don't really think it would work, ... people make wrong choices because they want to do stuff that makes them look good. Of course this is easier. God deals in truth, not making things easier. But, once people really look inside, that is not as difficult as they imagined, while keeping up false pretence requires much more maintenance than they first imagined.
I followed the arrows and it didn't answer my question so let me rephrase it.
When did God address the entire world in an audible voice in a language that everybody understood to clear up the misunderstandings they had of him?
K
I am not saying that people make choices to have the 'wrong' religion. Religion is neither wrong nor right, it is merely a man made construction to fit God into. Wrong choices are personal choices that are made by someone. We all lie to ourselves to justify our motives. It is when we learn to stop doing this, we can start trusting God. Then we can 'hear his voice.'I agree SOME people make wrong choices on purpose, but not all. I believe most make wrong choices out of ignorance. I don't think it is fair to claim everybody who is of the wrong religion or who worship the wrong God are being dishonest with themselves; it just doesn't make sense for me to see it that way.
K
This too:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOt3W1QnT5U&feature=relatedHere's the letter from Pontius Pilate to Caesar, from the link you provided me:
Physical Description of Jesus
Ken you need to scroll down just a little, you'll see it
These are very revealing words! Why do you assume alternative motives? What, they wanted to give up everything, live in the desert as nomads, until being tortured to death?
Oh yeah; like the telephone game from grade school huh! Nobody had a chance to screw that up either right??? Ive got a News Flash for you my friend; people are ALWAYS screwing things up! Were human; thats what we do! We arent perfect.[/font]
You really owe it to yourself to look into the history more closely! What happened, was eye witness accounts, spoken aloud DAILY, for 30 years, in the same place! (The Temple in Jerusalem) Nobody had the chance to screw anything up,
I aint just talking about different gospels, Im talking about the different religions. A voice from the sky will clear that up don't cha think?[/font]
You've never heard of perspective? We see different perspectives within the 4 Gospel accounts. This adds to their authenticity! If the Church were trying to make things look credible, they would've removed anything that could be construed as an error or contradiction. They didn't. They wanted to make sure you and I received what they did. The Dead Sea Scrolls verify they succeeded.
Nope. When G-d's voice spoke to a multitude, some heard Him saying one thing, others heard Him say another thing, others said it just thundered.
Certainly it addressed your question. G-d "spoke to the whole world" via sending His Son. Within that message, He spoke with an audible voice from the sky.
What you have is the Gospel. We all realize this is not exactly what you want, but even Mick Jagger knows that's not so important and ya get what you need.
I asked God to see him and hear an audible voice and he gave me a diagram instead :/ ... I guess you should really ask God yourself..I suspect the ones who claimed thunder were right, everyone else was either delusional or lying.
Are you suggesting that an all powerful God is not powerful enough to address everyone in an audible voice so they can understand him?
Ken
I am not saying that people make choices to have the 'wrong' religion. Religion is neither wrong nor right, it is merely a man made construction to fit God into. Wrong choices are personal choices that are made by someone. We all lie to ourselves to justify our motives. It is when we learn to stop doing this, we can start trusting God. Then we can 'hear his voice.'
They are both right and both wrong, ... but you can ask God these things ya knowBut some things that are required in one religion (such as worshiping Jesus in Christianity) is forbidden in another religion (such as worshiping another man as God in Islam; Islam see Jesus as a man) They both cant be right; so which is right?
K
I was responding to another person named Reine who claimed that Jesus didnt entrust himself to men because of their alternative motives. My reply was in the context of what SHE believes.
I aint just talking about different gospels, Im talking about the different religions. A voice from the sky will clear that up don't cha think?
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