Whale with hooves

[Brightmoon]

Peregocetus pacificus . Transitional could walk on land had hooves and was a good swimmer as well. The hooves are definite evidence that whales are Artiodactyla which was confirmed decades ago by DNA

 

[devin553344]

It kinda disproves evolution since we don't have any whales with hoofs walking the earth today?

 

[Brightmoon]

How? The ancestors of whales were land animals with hooves

 

[Occams Barber]

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Peregocetus pacificus . Transitional could walk on land had hooves and was a good swimmer as well. The hooves are definite evidence that whales are Artiodactyla which was confirmed decades ago by DNA

Thanks Brightmoon - fascinating.

For the palaeontologists among us here is the original report:
Report in Current Biology

For the rest of us (including me) here's a plain English explanation:
Science News: Peruvian fossils yield a four-legged otter like whale with hooves
OB

 

[Occams Barber]

It kinda disproves evolution since we don't have any whales with hoofs walking the earth today?

Sorry Devin, but it actually kinda supports the idea of evolution.

It's an example of what Creationists are always asking for - a transitional fossil. It's evidence of an intermediate step between the whale's fully land based ancestors and modern, aquatic (but air breathing), whales.
OB

 

[Tanj]

Sure it wasn't just an ugly horse?

 

[devin553344]

Sorry Devin, but it actually kinda supports the idea of evolution.

It's an example of what Creationists are always asking for - a transitional fossil. It's evidence of an intermediate step between the whale's fully land based ancestors and modern, aquatic (but air breathing), whales.
OB

Sorry I don't follow that logic. It logically looks like evolution was running backwards. Whales now don't have legs. But their ancestors do?

 

[ripple the car]

Sorry...

 

[archer75]

Sorry I don't follow that logic. It logically looks like evolution was running backwards. Whales now don't have legs. But their ancestors do?

I am not a biologist, but the interpretation must be along the lines of "the ancestral animal, itself descended from fish, had legs and lost them over time as it became more perfectly adapted to life in water."

Evolution doesn't just "add" legs.

 

[Brightmoon]

This is what Peregocetus looked like . Lol that furry critter you put up was funny

Here how the hoofed whale fit with the others protowhales . As you can see there are a lot of them . Pakicetus got cut off he, she, or it is at the top

 

[devin553344]

I am not a biologist, but the interpretation must be along the lines of "the ancestral animal, itself descended from fish, had legs and lost them over time as it became more perfectly adapted to life in water."

Evolution doesn't just "add" legs.

We were taught evolution in school. Their take on it indicated that life originated in water as single cell life and then evolved into fish, which then evolved to have legs and became land animals. Which is why the idea looks backwards evolution as I was taught.

 

[archer75]

We were taught evolution in school. Their take on it indicated that life originated in water as single cell life and then evolved into fish, which then evolved to have legs and became land animals. Which is why the idea looks backwards evolution as I was taught.

What is taught in elementary or high school is a kind of cartoon version of evolutionary biology, as least what I remember is.

But again - evolution doesn't just add legs. "Evolution" is not shorthand for "fish grow legs."

 

[Brightmoon]

We were taught evolution in school. Their take on it indicated that life originated in water as single cell life and then evolved into fish, which then evolved to have legs and became land animals. Which is why the idea looks backwards evolution as I was taught.

you skipped quite a few steps . The one cell fissioned and formed multiple lineages including several kingdoms of bacteria in 2 main branches - archaea and eubacteria . This took a while -almost 3 billion years. The archaean lineage eventually lead to unicellular eucaryotes . One of those early eucaryotes engulfed( without digesting) an alpha proteobacteria which eventually became a symbiont. This is how eucaryotes got mitochondria . Mitochondria evolved from a eubacterial symbiont. Evolving multicellularity took another billion years . That’s when you get around eventually to fish

 

[morse86]

So they found 1 or 2 whale bones near 1 or 2 hoove bones and a tax payer funded university artist comes up with some rubbish art work and a tax payer funded $$$ professor publishes this tabloid magazine "research article" disguised as science????????

Whales with hooves? Are you all serious????????

1 Corinthians 3:18-19:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


From this rubbish article:

The giant 42.6m-year-old fossil, discovered in marine sediments along the coast of Peru, appears to have been adapted for a semi-aquatic lifestyle

There are so many ways this "rubbish" could be interpreted....some fisherman could've thrown some hooves from his boat and it became fossilized in the marine sediment (very easy, doesn't require millions of years). Radio carbon dating is fraud.

 

[archer75]

So they found 1 or 2 whale bones near 1 or 2 hoove bones and a tax payer funded university artist comes up with some rubbish art work and a tax payer funded $$$ professor publishes this tabloid magazine "research article" disguised as science????????

Whales with hooves? Are you all serious????????

1 Corinthians 3:18-19:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


From this rubbish article:


There are so many ways this "rubbish" could be interpreted....some fisherman could've thrown some hooves from his boat and it became fossilized in the marine sediment (very easy, doesn't require millions of years). Radio carbon dating is fraud.

Why not expose this extreme worldwide fraud?

It's not fraud. And the news story is not much in the way of news. Nor is recent evidence the only evidence cited re: evolution of cetaceans.

 

[Brightmoon]

So they found 1 or 2 whale bones near 1 or 2 hoove bones and a tax payer funded university artist comes up with some rubbish art work and a tax payer funded $$$ professor publishes this tabloid magazine "research article" disguised as science????????

Whales with hooves? Are you all serious????????

1 Corinthians 3:18-19:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

. Ignorance is bliss!!! If you look at the skeleton you can see which bones they found . They’re drawn with solid lines . That’s a photo by the way my phone won’t let me link for some odd reason but you can read the paper at Cell. ( suggest you brush up on anatomy so youlll understand the paper- human anatomy is fine we have the most of the same bones after all)

 

[pitabread]

We were taught evolution in school.

Are you sure about that?

 

[tas8831]

Sorry I don't follow that logic. It logically looks like evolution was running backwards. Whales now don't have legs. But their ancestors do?

 

[tas8831]

So they found 1 or 2 whale bones near 1 or 2 hoove bones and a tax payer funded university artist comes up with some rubbish art work and a tax payer funded $$$ professor publishes this tabloid magazine "research article" disguised as science????????

Whales with hooves? Are you all serious????????

1 Corinthians 3:18-19:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


From this rubbish article:


There are so many ways this "rubbish" could be interpreted....some fisherman could've thrown some hooves from his boat and it became fossilized in the marine sediment (very easy, doesn't require millions of years). Radio carbon dating is fraud.

Are you a Poe? Sure seems like it. Nobody can be this aggressively ignorant.

 

[Brightmoon]

So they found 1 or 2 whale bones near 1 or 2 hoove bones and a tax payer funded university artist comes up with some rubbish art work and a tax payer funded $$$ professor publishes this tabloid magazine "research article" disguised as science????????

Whales with hooves? Are you all serious????????

1 Corinthians 3:18-19:
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.


From this rubbish article:


There are so many ways this "rubbish" could be interpreted....some fisherman could've thrown some hooves from his boat and it became fossilized in the marine sediment (very easy, doesn't require millions of years). Radio carbon dating is fraud.

oh ok so explain the developmental biology info that also confirms common descent. Those are early juveniles if you haven’t figured that out .