Whale Fossils Discovered High Up In Andes Mountains

[Strathos]

In that case the Flood is not up for debate. The Flood was agreed upon by all Nicene scholars as well as Ante-Nicene fathers and up to our present day modern scholars. Since Jesus Christ said the Flood happened then debating the Flood on this topic is a violation of this forum.

Matthew 24:37-39 King James Version (KJV)
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If you don't agree with what Jesus says here than you don't agree with Jesus at all. Again, many atheists like to write "Christian" on their profile so they can come here and preach atheism. But it don't work because Jesus is the word made flesh and what He says is the last and final word.

Therefore the Flood is a fact.

I definitely agree that there was a flood, I just don't believe that it covered the entire planet.

 

[OzSpen]

I definitely agree that there was a flood, I just don't believe that it covered the entire planet.

So, from where does your evidence come about the extent of the flood?

 

[archer75]

There's the points about specious reasoning brought up by other posters, but there's also the fact there's no ancient literature depicting a literal ancient worldwide flood

None whatsoever

There is, however, an overwhelming abundance of literature , pre-Biblical, that use the terms " flood / deluge " to refer to various astronomical events like new moons and eclipses, as well as " High Priests " and their office/s

There's also the rather obvious fact that the flood narrative in the Bible is based on the same astronomy knowledge of the earlier priests, but since hardly anybody actually studies the literature containing mathematical astronomy of the Mesopotamian priesthoods, it's a topic that seems out of reach for most

Can you say more about this?

 

[The Barbarian]

It would be good if evolution were actually science imo.

Evolution is the observed phenomenon. Evolutionary theory is the scientific theory that explains it. Common descent is one of the consequences of evolution.

Those who refuse to believe God's account of Noah's flood will also try to explain away why there is no long term erosion between the layers in the Grand Canyon

The Coconino sandstone is made of great deposits of eroded rock, forming desert dunes, which were subsequently buried and hardened.

which was actually formed in a very fast moving water type flooding.

How did this get formed in soft sediment by very fast moving water?

 

[twin.spin]

The problem with holding to a non-creation \ non-global flood is very simple: it's a rejection of God's Word.

 

[dqhall]

It would be good if evolution were actually science imo.

Those who refuse to believe God's account of Noah's flood will also try to explain away why there is no long term erosion between the layers in the Grand Canyon, which was actually formed in a very fast moving water type flooding. Go figure?

I doubt that one would find a whole skeleton of anything in an uplift ... like those who refuse the flood account believe. Takes a lot of faith for that imo

People may believe in God without agreeing to the inerrancy of the Bible theory.

If you want to learn geology, you might try the university. Geologists read the history of the earth by studying rock outcrops, geophysical, geochemical and drill data. Most of the rocks in the Grand Canyon formed in a slow depositional marine environment. A few of the layers have terrestrial fossils. There are thousands of feet of rocks containing all sorts of fossils from different eras. Sedimentary rocks were formed by the deposition of sediments and later compaction and hardening of the sediments with heat and pressure. Eventually some of these strata were uplifted, tilted, folded and faulted by slow movements of the earth's crust defined by the study of plate tectonics. At times deposition was interrupted and erosion occurred creating an unconformity. I found a shared photo of an unconformity in Wikimedia Commons:

 

[twin.spin]

Evolution is the observed phenomenon. Evolutionary theory is the scientific theory that explains it. Common descent is one of the consequences of evolution.



The Coconino sandstone is made of great deposits of eroded rock, forming desert dunes, which were subsequently buried and hardened.



How did this get formed in soft sediment by very fast moving water?

How long did this canyon form?

• 4+ Billion yrs (evolution)
• 6000 - 10,000 yrs (creation)
• 6 days (the extreme opposite to evolution)

How long did this canyon form?

• Billion of yrs (evolution)
• 6000 - 10,000 yrs (creation)
• hours (the extreme opposite to evolution)

How did this soft sediment of layers form?

• Billion of yrs (evolution)
• 6000 - 10,000 yrs (creation)
• hours (the extreme opposite to evolution)

 

[DaveDavids]

And you know all this how? The internet? I own all these ancient accounts and all the ones that have all or most of the story still in tact say it was a global Flood! And the dating of these documents is irrelevant since the Biblical account is the only ark that will survive the deluge and keep afloat. We know the deluge happened. Therefore the true account is gonna hold water. As for the rest of your assumptions, well...you assume many things as most atheists do without ever actually reading these ancient accounts which sternly disagree with atheists.

Really ?

OK then, explain Sin-leqi-unninni's use of astronomy notations

 

[DaveDavids]

Can you say more about this?

Sure, but it would be best if we started another thread as it's a rather complex topic I feel would be lost on this thread

You let me know what your specific questions are and I'll do my best to answer them

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Its interesting that not only have marine fossils been discovered at the peaks of all mountains in the world, but also how large whale fossils been discovered high up in the Andes mountains.

This subject is twofold because first there is the major problem of explaining fossilization without a cause if one wants to go with the poor uplift excuse. Then, perhaps, the other problem is explaining why a whale didn't move during an uplift and got stuck during the rising up of the uplift and then became a fossil?

So atheists, have at it.

One question: Is there actually a large enough volume of water on or within our entire planet structure that, if it was all available at once in liquid form, it could cover all of the mountain peaks in the world. Somehow, I'm doubting that there is or has ever been that amount of water here ... But, who knows? I could be wrong.

 

[Colter]

Those whales might be stranded there when the Noah flood covered the mountains.

The only thing that drown in the Israelites flood myth was common sense! Seems they were having difficulty tracing their blood lines back to Adam when they were appropriating Mesopotamian history, so they drown the whole world to fill the gap!

 

[Colter]

The problem with holding to a non-creation \ non-global flood is very simple: it's a rejection of God's Word.

No, its a rejection of the authoritarian churches false doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture that they themselves wrote!

 

[Colter]

Scientists solve mystery of mass whale graveyard in Chile

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian asks:
The Coconino sandstone is made of great deposits of eroded rock, forming desert dunes, which were subsequently buried and hardened.



How did this get formed in soft sediment by very fast moving water?

How long did this canyon form?

The image is to small to tell, but it appears not to have eroded out. Normally, canyons have a stream running through them. Got a higher-res shot?

How long did this canyon form?

It appears to be a gully, in soft sediment. It looks a lot like the gullies I saw at Mt. St. Helens from soft volcanic ash; again, it's a bit difficult with such a low-resolution shot,but it appears that the walls of the gully slump if they get more than a few meters high. Do you have a better image?

If you can get some closer, better resolution shots, we can probably figure it out. You do realize that the Earth is constantly reworking the crust and it would be astonishing to find a 4 billion year old canyon on it, do you not?

And could you answer my question?

 

[DamianWarS]

Its interesting that not only have marine fossils been discovered at the peaks of all mountains in the world, but also how large whale fossils been discovered high up in the Andes mountains.

This subject is twofold because first there is the major problem of explaining fossilization without a cause if one wants to go with the poor uplift excuse. Then, perhaps, the other problem is explaining why a whale didn't move during an uplift and got stuck during the rising up of the uplift and then became a fossil?

So atheists, have at it.

Maybe the whale had legs

 

[gideon123]

OP, I am not in any way an atheist.

but I tell you, if you wish to be a scientist, then you must approach the search for the truth with an open mind. and currently you are not doing that. Because you have already decided what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' ... before you even consider the facts. And that is not science.

The uplift of mountains is well established. Do you think that scientists simply make this stuff up? In fact, measurements of changes in the Earth's surface are routinely done with high-accuracy GPS. The science is data -driven. And for example, uplift rates in places like the Himalayas are very high. And this is very consistent with the theory of Plate Tectonics.

If you choose to ignore measured facts, that can be a personal decision for you. Personally, it may be OK. But you would do a great disservice to the minds of our young people, esp. those in church-based education, if you teach falsehoods and call them the truth.

There is no science supporting the Young Earth hypothesis. Current estimates for the age of the Earth range from 4.2 billion to 4.6 billion years old. No doubt these estimates will be refined in the future.

Blessings!!

 

[Marvin Knox]

It would be good if evolution were actually science imo.

..............You're telling thousands upon thousands of scientists that they don't have the first idea about what it is they do for a living, after all. That takes considerable, well, gumption. So you'd better have a pretty solid standing as a scientist to be making that kind of claim.

It's good to know the truth personally and not have to go along with what the world tells us.

A personal relationship with God and presence of the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth is standing enough to make the statement he made IMO.

Macro evolution is a prime example of the blindness of fallen mankind and the teachings of this world which contradict the scriptures.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Any idea what species of whale it was?

The rare mountain hump back.

 

[DaveDavids]

Really ?

OK then, explain Sin-leqi-unninni's use of astronomy notations

Because I don't think you've actually studied these topics like you claim, I'll just post this from the 1st person narrative of the so-called " Gilgamesh epic " that the priest Sin-leqi-unninni gave us

What is that ?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Evolution is the observed phenomenon. Evolutionary theory is the scientific theory that explains it. Common descent is one of the consequences of evolution.



The Coconino sandstone is made of great deposits of eroded rock, forming desert dunes, which were subsequently buried and hardened.



How did this get formed in soft sediment by very fast moving water?

It was fast moving water that ran very slowly.