Western Depictions of the Pantocrator

[Greg Logan]

Matthew 28:18
Ephesians 1:19-23
Christ is indeed Pantocrator.

You are defining Παντοκράτωρ differently than the scripture.

You are omitting key points
1. Christ is NEVER called Παντοκράτωρ - only God is. Please review all instances of the use of this term.

2. ICor15:27, 28 - For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

3. 1Cor11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

Here you see the real Παντοκράτωρ - Paul is specific - and, of course, Jesus was specific so many times, I simply cannot post.

 

[prodromos]

You are omitting key points
1. Christ is NEVER called Παντοκράτωρ - only God is. Please review all instances of the use of this term.

Not true. Revelation 15:3-4 calls the "Lamb" Pantocrator.

 

[Greg Logan]

Not true. Revelation 15:3-4 calls the "Lamb" Pantocrator.

I am sorry - that is not referring to the Lamb. That is referring to Jehovah God - the one the throne in Rev 4.

In fact - if you notice - it is the Song of Moses AND the Lamb - it is the song of both Moses and Jesus being sung to God. That makes perfect sense in light of the 1Cor text I shared with you above.

The use of Kurios - as you know - is a bit tricky - but often refers to Jehovah. In this case it does. Therefore, it is definitely NOT the Lamb - who John clearly distinguishes from Jehovah in Rev4 and 5.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

I am sorry - that is not referring to the Lamb. That is referring to Jehovah God - the one the throne in Rev 4.

In fact - if you notice - it is the Song of Moses AND the Lamb - it is the song of both Moses and Jesus being sung to God. That makes perfect sense in light of the 1Cor text I shared with you above.

The use of Kurios - as you know - is a bit tricky - but often refers to Jehovah. In this case it does. Therefore, it is definitely NOT the Lamb - who John clearly distinguishes from Jehovah in Rev4 and 5.

Christ IS YHWH. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all YHWH. The Word being with God and the Word being God, all things that were made by made by the Word, the Son. The Son is co-eternal with the Father. If you deny this, you are not a Christian, and you do not belong on this forum.

 

[Mare Liberum]

Christ Pantocrator or some depiction close to it does appear in Western art, just not as often as in Eastern art.

My questions acknowledge that fact, I wasn't doing anybody an injustice.