Western Arrogance

[Laodicean60]

I see why countries around the world are flocking to Russia or China, it's because of us dictating to other countries how they should live. We are so arrogant to think we are better than everyone else. The Rwandan president hits back at the reporters and more or less calls us hypocrites which I believe we are. We need to wake up and make peace because Africa along with the rest of the countries in this world are becoming intolerant to Western demands. Because of this, we are losing valuable resources that we will desperately need in the future. Then you have greedy corporations taking advantage of those countries.

 

[Laodicean60]

Now India is bad mouthing the West for meddling in their affairs.

 

[mindlight]

In some ways, there is a growing intolerance to Western influence and in other ways not.

The Rwandan president is not a perfect example of a critic. He is a Tutsi president in a country that is 85% Hutu. He has been in power for 30 years and his opponents tend to mysteriously disappear. He is a military man who owes his power to his control of the military. His country has been behind a great many expeditions to neighboring countries to influence directions there. His group did bring peace following the genocide and prosperity also after that but things have slowed down in the last few years in per capita terms and borrowing is spiraling.
Like with most of Africa the Western Woke agenda just seems like the words of confused perverts and brazen baby killers and to frame these issues in a discussion of human rights is dismissed by most Africans and especially religious ones. His country is 90% Christian but in some ways that faith is still shallow as the massacres demonstrated. But like he says no democracy is perfect and his virtues - lifting millions out of poverty, keeping the peace has to count for something. He is currently in a deal with the British government to accept immigrants deported from that country.

China is the main rival to Western dominance and the key question is whether it models a viable alternative. The suppression of free churches and Catholics and the demolishing of church towers seem to indicate a repressive regime vis a vis Christians. In Russia, a version of state-sponsored Christianity supports the state and oppresses non-Russian Orthodox Christians who fail to voice the nationalism of the Putin regime.

Also preaching the end of Western dominance is preaching the beginning of major international instability. This is far from inevitable as Western countries, together, still wield sufficient clout to keep world peace.

The major threat to the ongoing peace, prosperity and righteousness of the world is people like yourself who persistently seek to undermine Western hegemony from within.

 

[Laodicean60]

In some ways, there is a growing intolerance to Western influence and in other ways not.

Our arrogance of not giving countries equal footing. We don't listen to anyone.

Also preaching the end of Western dominance is preaching the beginning of major international instability. This is far from inevitable as Western countries, together, still wield sufficient clout to keep world peace.

The major threat to the ongoing peace, prosperity and righteousness of the world is people like yourself who persistently seek to undermine Western hegemony from within.

Nobody is preaching the end it's a fact, look around you and listen to what other countries' leaders are saying. We dismiss them if we don't like what they say. Hegemony is the major cause of the problems today. Dictating to other cultures how to act in this world when we should be worried about ourselves. There will never be peace if all the countries in the world want hegemony.

 

[Laodicean60]

The El Salvadoran President called out Western hypocrisy.

 

[Vanellus]

Russia, not an allly of the West attacks Ukraine and is condemned by the West. The West apples sanctions to Russia and sends arms to Ukraine.

Israel, an ally of the West, attacks Gaza - kills people at a greater rate and the West's response is to send arms to Israel.

This is an example of western hypocrisy to many countries.

I know there is the "they attacked first" counterargument of the October 7 attack yet the violence in Israel/Palestinian goes much further back and consistently more Palestinians have been killed:

 

[Laodicean60]

Niger evicting US troops in favor of Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/19/us-troops-niger/

 

[DennisF]

In some ways, there is a growing intolerance to Western influence and in other ways not.

The Rwandan president is not a perfect example of a critic. He is a Tutsi president in a country that is 85% Hutu. He has been in power for 30 years and his opponents tend to mysteriously disappear. He is a military man who owes his power to his control of the military. His country has been behind a great many expeditions to neighboring countries to influence directions there. His group did bring peace following the genocide and prosperity also after that but things have slowed down in the last few years in per capita terms and borrowing is spiraling.
Like with most of Africa the Western Woke agenda just seems like the words of confused perverts and brazen baby killers and to frame these issues in a discussion of human rights is dismissed by most Africans and especially religious ones. His country is 90% Christian but in some ways that faith is still shallow as the massacres demonstrated. But like he says no democracy is perfect and his virtues - lifting millions out of poverty, keeping the peace has to count for something. He is currently in a deal with the British government to accept immigrants deported from that country.

China is the main rival to Western dominance and the key question is whether it models a viable alternative. The suppression of free churches and Catholics and the demolishing of church towers seem to indicate a repressive regime vis a vis Christians. In Russia, a version of state-sponsored Christianity supports the state and oppresses non-Russian Orthodox Christians who fail to voice the nationalism of the Putin regime.

Also preaching the end of Western dominance is preaching the beginning of major international instability. This is far from inevitable as Western countries, together, still wield sufficient clout to keep world peace.

The major threat to the ongoing peace, prosperity and righteousness of the world is people like yourself who persistently seek to undermine Western hegemony from within.

"... to frame these issues in a discussion of human rights is dismissed by most Africans and especially religious ones."

Under the law of God, "rights" are not an issue; they were popularized by the Enlightenment and the French Revolution. Christians under biblical influence are oriented instead to "what is right" according to the law of God. "Rights" are at bottom narcissistic because they are focused on the self and what the self is allowed to do. What is right - righteousness - takes the larger society into account in its relations with each other. The Ten Commandments demonstrate this. Nowhere do they speak of individual rights, but they proclaim what our Maker says are the limits bounding what is right for us. Operating within the bounds of right human behavior is what sets a society free. What is putatively obtained by "rights" is actually achieved by doing what is right.

 

[DennisF]

In some ways, there is a growing intolerance to Western influence and in other ways not.

The Rwandan president is not a perfect example of a critic. He is a Tutsi president in a country that is 85% Hutu. He has been in power for 30 years and his opponents tend to mysteriously disappear. He is a military man who owes his power to his control of the military. His country has been behind a great many expeditions to neighboring countries to influence directions there. His group did bring peace following the genocide and prosperity also after that but things have slowed down in the last few years in per capita terms and borrowing is spiraling.
Like with most of Africa the Western Woke agenda just seems like the words of confused perverts and brazen baby killers and to frame these issues in a discussion of human rights is dismissed by most Africans and especially religious ones. His country is 90% Christian but in some ways that faith is still shallow as the massacres demonstrated. But like he says no democracy is perfect and his virtues - lifting millions out of poverty, keeping the peace has to count for something. He is currently in a deal with the British government to accept immigrants deported from that country.

China is the main rival to Western dominance and the key question is whether it models a viable alternative. The suppression of free churches and Catholics and the demolishing of church towers seem to indicate a repressive regime vis a vis Christians. In Russia, a version of state-sponsored Christianity supports the state and oppresses non-Russian Orthodox Christians who fail to voice the nationalism of the Putin regime.

Also preaching the end of Western dominance is preaching the beginning of major international instability. This is far from inevitable as Western countries, together, still wield sufficient clout to keep world peace.

The major threat to the ongoing peace, prosperity and righteousness of the world is people like yourself who persistently seek to undermine Western hegemony from within.

"Also preaching the end of Western dominance is preaching the beginning of major international instability. This is far from inevitable as Western countries, together, still wield sufficient clout to keep world peace."

The USA (Washington) has been the empire since WW II. Are you claiming that the existing Washington - a "hive of scum and villainy" (to quote Obi Wan Knobi from a different fantasy lost somewhere in space) - will bring stability to the world when over the last 35 or so years it has instigated all the major conflicts in the world - over a half-dozen of them, including the destruction of Libya, nearly Serbia and Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, nearly Syria, and now Ukraine and Palestine, and many smaller or brewing conflicts incited by the hegemons in Washington? Who is this "West" with the righteousness required to bring peace to the world when in fact it is doing just the opposite?

 

[bèlla]

Look up the WEF video on Africa. The speaker said Africa needs to be the servant of the world which is utterly wicked. The 2030 agenda is for the west but Africa's is further out. No matter how much they afflict her she continues to flourish. There's a higher power at work and I would never oppress her.

America is not an empire in the original sense. We are the military arm of the structure. London is the financial center and Rome rules religion.

~bella

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I see why countries around the world are flocking to Russia or China, it's because of us dictating to other countries how they should live. We are so arrogant to think we are better than everyone else. The Rwandan president hits back at the reporters and more or less calls us hypocrites which I believe we are. We need to wake up and make peace because Africa along with the rest of the countries in this world are becoming intolerant to Western demands. Because of this, we are losing valuable resources that we will desperately need in the future. Then you have greedy corporations taking advantage of those countries.

... any political ideology that prides itself upon some form of "revolutionary" ideology, whether it emanates from the germinal seeds of Thomas Jefferson or Kark Marx, is "Western."

 

[DennisF]

Look up the WEF video on Africa. The speaker said Africa needs to be the servant of the world which is utterly wicked. The 2030 agenda is for the west but Africa's is further out. No matter how much they afflict her she continues to flourish. There's a higher power at work and I would never oppress her.

Look up the WEF video on Africa. The speaker said Africa needs to be the servant of the world which is utterly wicked. The 2030 agenda is for the west but Africa's is further out. No matter how much they afflict her she continues to flourish. There's a higher power at work and I would never oppress her.

America is not an empire in the original sense. We are the military arm of the structure. London is the financial center and Rome rules religion.

~bella

"America is not an empire in the original sense. We are the military arm of the structure. London is the financial center and Rome rules religion."

I have yet to encounter on this website a more profound statement than this about the social structure of the Euroamerican world. The US money system is controlled by whoever has a controlling interest in the Fed, and that is found in the City in London. Money controls politics. Above the visible levels in the social hierarchy are the clandestine maneuverings at the highest levels of human control, such as the Freemasons and Illuminati. My guess about who is at the top is the Jesuits, and whoever rules religion rules the rest.

~bella

 

[DennisF]

Niger evicting US troops in favor of Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/19/us-troops-niger/

- as did Mali and Burkina Faso, with its young, intelligent, and right-seeking leader in Trier. These three countries - and Senegal might be included with them - left the Ecowas union, not because they are not in agreement with the purpose for which it was founded, but because Nigeria, Ivory Coast, ..., are allowing Western powers to carry out neo-colonial pillage of their natural resources. The Sahel and West Africa are in the incubatory stage of a regional conflict, and hopefully, the Russians will equip the Sahel states sufficiently to discourage Western aggression.

 

[mindlight]

Our arrogance of not giving countries equal footing. We don't listen to anyone.

Nobody is preaching the end it's a fact, look around you and listen to what other countries' leaders are saying. We dismiss them if we don't like what they say. Hegemony is the major cause of the problems today. Dictating to other cultures how to act in this world when we should be worried about ourselves. There will never be peace if all the countries in the world want hegemony.

Deeper than hegemony is the Christian faith that enabled and continues to animate Western civilisation.

Read Tom Holland's Dominion

 

[mindlight]

Look up the WEF video on Africa. The speaker said Africa needs to be the servant of the world which is utterly wicked. The 2030 agenda is for the west but Africa's is further out. No matter how much they afflict her she continues to flourish. There's a higher power at work and I would never oppress her.

America is not an empire in the original sense. We are the military arm of the structure. London is the financial center and Rome rules religion.

~bella

New York is the biggest financial center followed by London.

Africa is rising because of it's growing population and Christian faith.

The original Western mind is crafted by Christianity - Tom Holland , Dominion - The making of the Western Mind.

 

[mindlight]

"Also preaching the end of Western dominance is preaching the beginning of major international instability. This is far from inevitable as Western countries, together, still wield sufficient clout to keep world peace."

The USA (Washington) has been the empire since WW II. Are you claiming that the existing Washington - a "hive of scum and villainy" (to quote Obi Wan Knobi from a different fantasy lost somewhere in space) - will bring stability to the world when over the last 35 or so years it has instigated all the major conflicts in the world - over a half-dozen of them, including the destruction of Libya, nearly Serbia and Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, nearly Syria, and now Ukraine and Palestine, and many smaller or brewing conflicts incited by the hegemons in Washington? Who is this "West" with the righteousness required to bring peace to the world when in fact it is doing just the opposite?

Those conflicts were not instigated by the USA, but it has been an effective peacemaker and defender of smaller nations sovereignty. It is the USA and it's allies that have kept the peace the last 8 decades

 

[mindlight]

... any political ideology that prides itself upon some form of "revolutionary" ideology, whether it emanates from the germinal seeds of Thomas Jefferson or Kark Marx, is "Western."

Actually Christian faith is the more profound influence and the atheistic revolutionary strands, shaped by French and Russian revolutions, the undoing of much that is good about the West. The American revolution was a sin long since forgiven and overwhelmed by greater good.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Actually Christian faith is the more profound influence and the atheistic revolutionary strands, shaped by French and Russian revolutions, the undoing of much that is good about the West. The American revolution was a sin long since forgiven and overwhelmed by greater good.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, mindlight.

 

[mindlight]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, mindlight.

Revolution - bad, Christianity good. The West is more shaped by the positive than the negative. The revolutionary strand is born of atheistic impulses that have poisoned the West not promoted it. The best model of freedom was the example of the British where it grew organically out of Christian perspectives on reality.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Revolution - bad, Christianity good. The West is more shaped by the positive than the negative. The revolutionary strand is born of atheistic impulses that have poisoned the West not promoted it. The best model of freedom was the example of the British where it grew organically out of Christian perspectives on reality.

I wasn't denying that Christianity has been in the historical mix of ideological and political direction in "The West." Obviously, it has.

What I'm implying, however, is that Enlightened Modernism has simply turned in upon itself and become complicated over time, resulting in smaller, individualistic adoptions of the larger paradigm. The resulting humanistic definitions are ethically questionable. And that state of questionableness is present before we decide to also open a Bible and see what it has to say about it all.