Rom7:9 is talking about the Laws, not the original sin.
Of course it is not talking about Original Sin, the bible doesn't mention it at all. However Rom 7:9 describes Paul going through the same things Edam and Eve did in the garden, passing from life to death when he heard God's command and disobeyed. If Adam and Eve's spiritual death passed down through the generations to Paul, how come Paul started off alive?
Rom 7:9
I was once alive apart from the law...
This is the same death Adam and Eve died, because they were alive physically after they sinned too.
...but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. See how Paul says that he died? This isn't physical death, he was still alive physically when he wrote the epistle to the Romans, this is spiritual death. So spiritual death came to Paul the same way it came to Adam and Eve, when they heard God's command and disobeyed. But if Paul was different to Adam and Eve when he was born, if the whole human race was changed as a result of the fall, how was Paul able to go through the the same life into death experience the Adam and Eve went through who started out without Original Sin?
Deut 1:39 basically says the same as the message in Jonah. It does not mean the good/evil in Gen 2.
It says the children did not have the knowledge of good and evil, but how can this be when you say the knowledge of good and evil was inherited from Adam and Eve by the entire human race?
That is what I mean. You can not just search the same words and use whatever verse it hit. That is why my students still fail their test even I let them take it "open Internet".
Yes how much better to find passages that actually deal with the issues we are talking about, why don't you try to come up with one?
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No, it is what I mean that a baby who wants is (apparently) not a sinful act. If we were animals, we will not sin for our whole lives.
So is the baby sinful or not? You seem to contradict yourself on this.
You confused me on this. Didn't you suggest that our sin comes from the weakness of our flesh? Somewhere during the growth of a baby, sin comes to him.
Sin comes from knowing what we should and shouldn't do, knowing God's command, and disobeying. Like Paul said in Romans 7:9. The role our natural desires play is described beautifully by James.
James 1:14
But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
See how James is describing Adam' and Eve's fall just as well as ours? There is noting wrong in the desires themselves, it is really important we are attracted to tasty fruit or that pretty girl with the green eyes. The problem is keep following our appetites when God has called us to do something else.
If this is not what you think, then what is your idea about the origin of sin?
Original Sin? An idea of Augustine based on a bad Latin translation of Romans 5:12 which instead of saying "
death spread to all man because all sinned" translated the passage "
...in whom all sinned" which he thought meant all sinned in Adam. So he came up with the idea that we were all in Adam's loins when he sinned and so his sin is inherited by the human race. It is all based on a Latin mistranslation, but ever since people have been taking the doctrine and reading it back into scripture everywhere they can.
