Well, that settles it. I’m a heretic and anathema.

[The Liturgist]

Odd. I know there’s a Coptic (Oriental Orthodox) Church in Omaha that won’t allow me to partake of the holy Eucharist because I’m Catholic. Maybe I’m mistaken.

Copts will normally not communicate Roman Catholics. But some Syriac Orthodox in the Middle East will. Specifically, I’ve heard that the Syriac Orthodox parish in Constantinople, or Istanbul as the Turks want us to call it (I refuse), will provide you with the Eucharist.

The only Eastern church that will reliably offer the chalce to Roman Catholics, or to any other baptized Nicene Christians who believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, is the Assyrian Church of the East (I think the Ancient Church of the East will as well, but i don’t know for sure). This fact probably will interfere with the process of their re-entering communion with the Orthodox, since most Orthodox churches want a more closed-off Eucharist, like the LCMS.

 

[RileyG]

Copts will normally not communicate Roman Catholics. But some Syriac Orthodox in the Middle East will. Specifically, I’ve heard that the Syriac Orthodox parish in Constantinople, or Istanbul as the Turks want us to call it (I refuse), will provide you with the Eucharist.

The only Eastern church that will reliably offer the chalce to Roman Catholics, or to any other baptized Nicene Christians who believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, is the Assyrian Church of the East (I think the Ancient Church of the East will as well, but i don’t know for sure). This fact probably will interfere with the process of their re-entering communion with the Orthodox, since most Orthodox churches want a more closed-off Eucharist, like the LCMS.

Thanks for the input.

 

[RileyG]

The Orthodox are not in communion with your church, and neither are the Assyrians, but your clergy are allowed to give us the Eucharist, and you are allowed to receive it from us (in practice, most Eastern Orthodox won’t communicate Roman Catholics, but in the case of very poor health will receive a Roman Catholic by Chrismation and then give them the Eucharist without requiring they go through the usual process of catechesis.

Essentially, because those eastern churches have valid ordained bishops per the RCC.

The RCC doesn’t recognize the orders of any Protestant sects.

 

[concretecamper]

The user asked how many Holy, Catholic and Apostolic churches I believe in, and the answer to that question is one. I simply disagree with many Roman Catholics on which church that is.

All I said is that solely professing the Nicene Creed DOES NOT make on part of His Church, which is true.

 

[concretecamper]

The Orthodox are not in communion with your church, and neither are the Assyrians, but your clergy are allowed to give us the Eucharist, and you are allowed to receive it from us (in practice, most Eastern Orthodox won’t communicate Roman Catholics, but in the case of very poor health will receive a Roman Catholic by Chrismation and then give them the Eucharist without requiring they go through the usual process of catechesis.

I was addressing Lutheran sects, and I stand by my statement as being what His Church teaches and has taught since the protestant heresy.

 

[RileyG]

I was addressing Lutheran sects, and I stand by my statement as being what His Church teaches and has taught since the protestant heresy.

Regarding Protestants, that’s correct.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

That was from 2015, but I don’t think LCMS or WELS would want to receive our communion.

You are correct. However, expect to see more since the Pope's most recent "universalist" statements.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

They are prohibited, they are not in communion with His Church

Such being the case, your pope is out of control.

 

[concretecamper]

Such being the case, your pope is out of control.

He does have some odd personal opinions.

 

[JoeT]

I don't know; but God does.

You are dodging the question.

JoeT

 

[JoeT]

One. Didn’t you read where I affirmed the Nicene Creed?

Do you mean to say that reciting the Nicene Creed makes those outside the Church part of the body of Christ, fully and completely? Yet at the same time can hold alternative faiths. How does that work? Seems to me to be a form of 'relativism.'

JoeT

 

[RileyG]

You are correct. However, expect to see more since the Pope's most recent "universalist" statements.

That’s just his opinion, which apparently was taken out of context, not official teaching of the Church

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

You are dodging the question.

JoeT

No, I am not. If you know, then share; I can not see into the hearts and souls of men to know their state of Grace; I doubt you can either. Such judgements are best left to God; best we can do is tell a tree by the fruit that it bears.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, that settles it. I’m a heretic and anathema.

That makes two of us!

 

[AV1611VET]

Re the OP:

1. Correct. Mary is the human mother of Jesus Christ.

2. Mary is not "ever-virgin." Mary had sons and daughters afterwards.

3. Mary was not sinless. The sin nature is transferred by the seed of the man, not the woman. Thus Jesus was sinless, not Mary.

4. Mary is not seated at the right hand of the Father. That is blasphemous.

 

[concretecamper]

1. Correct. Mary is the human mother of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus have a non human mother? What are you getting at here?

2. Mary is not "ever-virgin." Mary had sons and daughters afterwards.

A relatively recent belief among those who call themselves Christians. Mary being Ever Virgin was believed by His Church since it's beginning.

3. Mary was not sinless. The sin nature is transferred by the seed of the man, not the woman. Thus Jesus was sinless, not Mary.

Another recent innovation that was rejected by His Church from the beginning.

4. Mary is not seated at the right hand of the Father. That is blasphemous.

Who claimed she was seated there?

 

[AV1611VET]

Who claimed she was seated there?

I'm addressing the four points in post #1.

 

[AV1611VET]

Did Jesus have a non human mother?

No.

What are you getting at here?

The very first post in this thread makes four points:

1. Mary is the human mother of God the Son.
2. Mary is Ever-Virgin.
3. Mary is sinless.
4. Mary is seated at the right hand of Jesus Christ.

I was addressing those four.

A relatively recent belief among those who call themselves Christians. Mary being Ever Virgin was believed by His Church since it's beginning.

Nope.

Mary had children.

Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

Even the Catholic bible reads ...

Mark 6:3 Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not his sisters here with us?” And so they took offense at him.

Another recent innovation that was rejected by His Church from the beginning.

Have you read the book, The Trail of Blood, by J.M. Carroll?

Who claimed she was seated there?

My mistake.

I thought it said she was seated at the right hand of God the Father; but it says she is seated at the right hand of Jesus Christ.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

That’s just his opinion, which apparently was taken out of context, not official teaching of the Church

Did Jesus have a non human mother? What are you getting at here?

A relatively recent belief among those who call themselves Christians. Mary being Ever Virgin was believed by His Church since it's beginning.

Another recent innovation that was rejected by His Church from the beginning.

Who claimed she was seated there?

You know where this is going... don't feed the trolls.

 

[The Liturgist]

Do you mean to say that reciting the Nicene Creed makes those outside the Church part of the body of Christ, fully and completely? Yet at the same time can hold alternative faiths. How does that work? Seems to me to be a form of 'relativism.'

JoeT

I don’t mean to say anything of the kind.

You asked how many Churches I believe in. I referred you to where confessed that I believe there is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Kindly refrain from attributing to me things I have not said.