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Not really. More like:
Premise 1: If it rains today, I'm going to bring an umbrella.
Premise 2: It is raining today.
Conclusion: I bought a new car.
Hope that clears up your confusion.
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Looks like the Pope is popular, so I'm going to buy a new car....<----non sequitur
The relevance is, Jesus gathering people would require them to repent. No need to argue this point...unless you believe God reproves people because He doesn't want them to repent.Hammster said,
What is the relevance to this discussion? And if it's relevant, why aren't you making an argument?
Of me pitting one scripture against another. Stall...I mean take as much time as you need.griff said,
Of what?
No confusion, just cutting to the chase.griff said,
Premise 1: If it rains today, I'm going to bring an umbrella.
Premise 2: It is raining today.
Conclusion: I bought a new car.
Hope that clears up your confusion.
Of me pitting one scripture against another. Stall...I mean take as much time as you need.
No confusion, just cutting to the chase.
The relevance is, Jesus gathering people would require them to repent. No need to argue this point...unless you believe God reproves people because He doesn't want them to repent.
Romans 11 wasn't a pit against Matthew 7, which is proven by your later misunderstanding, "So Rom. 11 trumps Matt. 7 huh?" (post 598), and my response, "They agree...as all scripture does." (post 645).griff said,
Thanks... didn't take long to find one. Observe:
Me bringing up Matt. 7 http://www.christianforums.com/t7717.../#post62735634
You responding with Rom. 11 in an attempt to defeat Matt. 7 http://www.christianforums.com/t7717.../#post62735810
Hey, strain at the gnat if you want.griff said,
Your example was bad form.
Griff,That's what Scripture teaches.
"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." (Matthew 7:13-14 ESV)
Point is, God is reproving so peope will repent...people who (according to Calvinists) are incapable of repentance.Hammster said,
So He wants them to repent. I'm still waiting for your point.
God does not reprove the non elect. He leaves them to themselves.Point is, God is reproves so peope will repent...people who (according to Calvinists) are incapable of repentance.
Point is, God is reproves so peope will repent...people who (according to Calvinists) are incapable of repentance.
"But ye have set at nought all my counsel and would none of my reproof...They would none of my counsel, they despised all my reproof." Pr.1:25,30The Boxer said,
God does not reprove the non elect. He leaves them to themselves.
God does not reprove the non elect. He leaves them to themselves.
That's ok Hammster. Boxer got the point and explained it away with an unscriptural answer. The Calvinist view of God has Him reproving people who are incapable of repentance and then getting angry at them for not repenting. Can you say Norman Bates?Hammster said,
And? It would really help if you took time to make an argument so that I don't have to guess at your point.
"But ye have set at nought all my counsel and would none of my reproof...They would none of my counsel, they despised all my reproof." Pr.1:25,30
Boxer, is God speaking of the elect? If not, why is God reproving people who are incapable of repentance?
That's ok Hammster. Boxer got the point and explained it away with an unscriptural answer. The Calvinist view of God has Him reproving people who are incapable of repentance and then getting angry at them for not repenting. Can you say Norman Bates?
So when God reproves most sinners, it's because He wants them to remain unwilling?Hammster said,
They are capable of repenting. They are just unwilling.
Oh Arcoe, don't be silly!!! Can't you see that God corrects people because He doesn't want them to be corrected?Arcoe said,
Here we see God called them and they refused, and even when God stretched out His hand, no man regarded it. Also, they set at nought, or refused all of God's counsel, or purpose.
How can a man refuse God's calling? or not regard His stretched out hand? or set at nought God's counsel, or purpose?
Here we see God called, but His calling was refused. Does man has power over God's calling to where His calling is ineffective? Does man have power over God's own counsel to where His counsel, or purpose is ineffective?
If God stretched out His hand to them and called them, it would seem God's decree would trump anything man might want to do, or so, some on here say.
So when God reproves most sinners, it's because He wants them to remain unwilling?
Oh Arcoe, don't be silly!!! Can't you see that God corrects people because He doesn't want them to be corrected?
So when God reproves people, it's because He wants them to be saved, isn't it?Hammster said,
No.
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