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Is this a personal belief, or can you provide passages from the Bible to support your answer?

It flows from my belief in an omniscient, immutable God.

I don't want any specific people, all I'm asking is if a person practices sin through lusts of the flesh, can we not know who they are by their actions?

1 John says those who practice sin are of the devil.

Yes wasn't an option. It was either the kingdom or hell.

You asked me if they go to heaven or hell. 'Yes' was a logically coherent answer. If that's not the answer you're looking for, you need to phrase the question more precisely.


You tell me. Paul addressed the Corinthians as babes in Christ. Christians. I'm not the one who has an issue with it so why is the burden on me to explain it?

I'm glad you agree with John. So I ask, how is a regenerate person of the Father if he lives in the lust of his flesh?

Romans 7 answers your question.

So you equate being carnal with living in the lust of the flesh. Were these Corinthian believers of the Father, or of the world, being carnal? Did these Corinthians believers inherit the kingdom being carnal?

They were carnal Christians.

But you just said the Corinthian believers, who must be regenerate, lived a lifestyle of carnality. Which is it? Were the Corinthian believers regenerated or not?

Actually Paul said it.

Thank you for an honest answer.

No problem. I try my best not to lie on christian forums.
 
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There's much to say, but I'm about to sign off for the weekend. The only thing I want to mention is this:


Regenerated at conception? I don't think so. The instant we are regenerated we have faith and repentance, and are thus justified. If you're trying to tell me Christians (those who are regenerate) don't willfully sin, either you're wrong, or I'm not a Christian.
 
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Thank you. Now do you have Biblical support for this, or is this a personal belief?

I will assume that you believe that God is omniscient. If not, I'll have to take some time to explain, biblically, how God knows the beginning from the end. Hopefully you'll just concede that point.
 
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Could God save everybody if He wanted to ?
Not under the conditions He ordained.

"If we endure, we will also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself." 2 Tim.2:12-13

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live..." De.30:19
 
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See Isaac and Ishmael (Galatians 4:21-31). Isaac was born of the Spirit from Sarah's womb.

You do not willfullly sin. You just don't get it that you sin out of weakness. You have been deceived by sin into thinking that you willfully sin.

The day you come to realize that you sin from weakness, and not from some imagined autonomy, is the day you will never judge another Christian for sinning. It will be the day you will feel only compassion.

Since you think you willfully sin you don't need a high priest. You don't need God's help because it's all within your imagined, autonomous power to sin or to not sin.

Too many Calvinists become Arminians after salvation.
 
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Griff answered; why don't you? He said God did originally create hell for man, but he won't find that in the Bible anywhere.

What do you say? Can you support his claim by providing passages from the Bible, or you just gonna sit there and wonder?

If God didn't create hell for man then are you saying he created it for someone else and thought it was a pretty handy thing to have so decided at a later point to put man in too?

Because, Arcoe, THAT'S open theism.

Don't thank me; it was a pleasure. I felt that if you couldn't work it out for yourself then a helping hand might be welcome.
 
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God did griff because He wanted to torture the vast majority....right?

That's what Scripture teaches.

"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." (Matthew 7:13-14 ESV)
 
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How can anyone who knows Jesus believe such a thing?

"For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all." Ro.11:32

All people, or all groups of people? Context matters.
 
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If God didn't create hell for man then are you saying he created it for someone else and thought it was a pretty handy thing to have so decided at a later point to put man in too?

The Bible says who He created hell for. I am sorry you want to add to what is revealed. This is called pseudo theism, or man-made theism.

Because, Arcoe, THAT'S open theism.

You know they put tags on the toes of the dead also, don't you?

Don't thank me; it was a pleasure. I felt that if you couldn't work it out for yourself then a helping hand might be welcome.

Since you are making such a big deal of it, please show me in the Bible where God created hell for mankind. I have already asked other Calvinists, but they have failed to come up with anything. Maybe you can pull a rabbit out of the hat. And, I won't be holding my breath for you to answer.
 
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All people, or all groups of people? Context matters.

Then you must say it is only groups of people in unbelief. Do you believe there are groups of people who are not in unbelief? Then how do you say it is only groups of people upon whom He has mercy? Context, I tell you, context.
 
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