Wearing TziTzit

[Henaynei]

even the neaTzit site offers their katan mit techelet tzitzit

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Shalom,

As soon as I can afford a Gabrieli_Hand_Woven_Tallit then I'll have my first TziTzit set.

Tzitzit_&_Tekhelet <<< here is a place for Tzitzit that I have been looking at the above Tallit.

I think it is great your wearing tzitzit. I just have a question for all who are following this Mitzvot out of Torah. So if one wears TziTzit, how does one wear them? Where do you find the answer on how they should be worn?

Shalom,

Tag

 

[Talmidah]

So if one wears TziTzit, how does one wear them? Where do you find the answer on how they should be worn?

You'll probably find a variety of answers here , my son simply wears talit katan.

 

[Velcro]

I wear mine in the side corners of shirts. I sewed tiny plastic hoops inside the corners of these shirts -- little plastic hoops I bought at the fabric store, that are the size of a shirt button.

I tie my own tzitzit, and they have a little loop at the top. I put the loop through the hoop, then draw the strings through that loop, pulling the tzitzit so that they hang down straight.

Admittedly, I have tzitzit on my purse and attache case. These are not where the L-rd said to wear them, but I placed them there before I started wearing tzitzit, because He did not say not to place them anywhere else. They have been great reminders when I am not wearing them on my clothing. They have also caused people to ask questions, which is always a good thing, because one may then have an additional opportunity to talk about the L-rd.

What do you guys make of the Revelation Scripture which says that when the L-rd returns, His Name will be upon His thigh? I understand this to be His tzitzit, but the question has long been, "When did they first start tying tzitzit?" The scriptural command does not mention tying them. But if, indeed, this Scripture is about tzitzit (and I don't know what else it could be), then they were probably already tying them to create His Name when He lived in Israel. Anyway, what do you think?

 

[jontinoregon]

I agree with you Velcro, if Yeshua was a Torah observant Rabbi, he would have worn Tzitzit of some kind. There are Rabbinical discussions about them that might predate His birth. If Yeshua didn't wear them, He would not have been sinless, and not the Messiah, so He would have worn them.

I understand the prophecy that 'the sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings' to refer to Yeshua, and it was likely in faith in that prophecy the woman with the twelve year issue of blood responded to take hold of the 'kanaph' corners/wings of Yeshua's garment where His tzitzit would be.

 

[Velcro]

Hey, Jontinoregon! Welcome to the site!

 

[Mikhail]

Dear All,
Well it has been nearly 2 weeks since I started wearing TziTzit everyday and I must confess that I initially felt self concious when I started wearing them, but like anything new, that is visible change in our appearances I am getting used to it. I would not even dream of going out without them. It is a constant reminder that comforts my soul. Everytime I see them every time I touch them I am reminded to remember all his commandments. The scripture about binding them on your hands and as frontlets before your eyes has taken on new meaning as TziTzit is just that for me as I look upon the cords of white and blue.

Guess who is the most upset about me wearing them? No prizes for guessing it is Torah-less Messianics in my own congregation.

Yet I have had a chance to speak to some who I did not even know where jewish that I deal with in the course of my business and gave one my personal testimony of Yeshua apeaking to me 19 years ago!

If appearing foolish as wearing Tzitzit produces opportunities to speak to Jews then as David said to Michal for YHWH I will make myself even more abase if need be.
Perhaps God will close the wombs of my detractors and cause my testimony to be fruitful that YHWH and his Messiah will be glorified in all that I do.
Shalom,
Mikhail

 

[jontinoregon]

Mikhail,
Congratulations on your decision to wear the fringes!
There is a Rabbinical dictum that says as a person decides to keep a mitzvah Heaven will move to help them do so.
Another thought, the Apostolic Writings tell us to keep our eye on the goal of Messiah, what better way than to have a constant visual reminder of who we are in HIm and what He has told us to do.

 

[aleph-bet]

if Yeshua was a Torah observant Rabbi, he would have worn Tzitzit of some kind. There are Rabbinical discussions about them that might predate His birth. If Yeshua didn't wear them, He would not have been sinless, and not the Messiah, so He would have worn them.

I understand the prophecy that 'the sun of righteousness will arise with healing in his wings' to refer to Yeshua, and it was likely in faith in that prophecy the woman with the twelve year issue of blood responded to take hold of the 'kanaph' corners/wings of Yeshua's garment where His tzitzit would be.

Yeshua wore the Tzitzit becasue He was a Jew, but He did not teach about "How to be Torah Observant". He taught about Love, setting the captives free, feeding the poor, and so much more. Why do people focus So MUCH on the Torah Observancy, when they should be focused on the True walk of Yeshua? Should I be more concerned about wearing tzitzit or about how I act towards a widow? Torah observancy is sounding more like Pharisee Observancy.

 

[Velcro]

Yeshua wore the Tzitzit becasue He was a Jew, but He did not teach about "How to be Torah Observant". He taught about Love, setting the captives free, feeding the poor, and so much more. Why do people focus So MUCH on the Torah Observancy, when they should be focused on the True walk of Yeshua? Should I be more concerned about wearing tzitzit or about how I act towards a widow? Torah observancy is sounding more like Pharisee Observancy.

I guess I would disagree with your answer. I hope that's all right. But He wore tzitzit because it was the Torah He had given to all of Israel and He was of Israel. Wearing tzitzit is not an end-all concept for those of us who wear them; it is only a small part of what we do. Just because we wear them does not mean that we do not love others, feed the poor, focus on the "True walk of Yeshua," and act in a proper way toward the widow and orphan. Torah-observancy is doing those things and all the other things you may be seeing as pharisaic. Okay?

 

[Yahudim]

Shalom All,

I have recently done a little research on the Tallit and the Tzitzit. It is amazing how scripture comes alive when put into context. I just want to share this with you.

In ancient times that value of cloth rivaled that of gold and other precious materials. Common people did not wear fringe because it was expensive. Only wealthy merchants and servants of kings were permited to do so. The more fringe, the more important the person.

All languages in the region of the Middle East are closely related and I personally believe that they all evolved from the Proto-Hebraic pictographs. I also believe that they were passed down through Shem and were originally part of the wisdom of Adam, imparted by HaShem, but that is a COMPLETELY different thread. My point is that all languages used their alephbet as a numeric system and by tying knot in the fringes of their garments, most people of any education could read their fringes and see which king the wearer served.

HaShem called His chosen people to be a holy people of priests and kings. So when He cammanded them to wear the Tallit and the Tzitzit, it was HIS name that is tied into the fringe. That way, anyone reading them could see which King they served. (It pains my heart when I think of the story of King Saul.)

Here is an example of what is out there on the subject of tying Tzitzit. It was found HERE, but is not a lone example:

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]How are the Tzitzit tied?[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tying Tzitzit is a Jewish art, a form of macrame. A hole is carefully made and reinforced in each corner of the tallit. Through each hole, four strands are inserted: three short strands and one long strand. The longer stranded is called the shammash and this is the one which is used for winding around the others. To tie the Tzitzit, line up the four stands so that the three of equal length are doubled evenly, and the four strand is lined up at one end with the other seven ends. With four strands in one hand, and the other four in the other, make a double knot at the edge of the fabric. Then take the shammash and wind it around the other seven strands seven times in a spiral motion. Make a second double knot, with four strands in one hand and four strands in the other. Then wind the shammash around the seven strands eight times and make another double knot. Wind the shammash around eleven times and make a double knot. Finally, wind the shammash thirteen times around the remaining seven strands and make one final double knot. When done correctly, the Tzitzit will have 7-8-11-13 winds between the double knots.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]What does the 7-8-11-13 windings pattern mean?[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There are a number of wonderful interpretations for this pattern of windings.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]One interpretation is that each set of windings corresponds to one of the four letters in God's name.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Another interpretation employs Gematria, Jewish numerology, which assigns to each Hebrew letter a numeric value: aleph is 1, bet is 2, gimmel is 3, and so on. In this second interpretation of the windings of the Tzitzit, the numbers 7-8-11-13 have special meaning: 7+8=15, which in Hebrew is written yod-hay, the first two letters of God's name (the Tetragrammaton); 11=vav+hay, the third and fourth letters of God's name. Hence the first three windings "spell" God's holy name. Thirteen, the last set of windings, is equivalent in value to the word "echad" which means "one." Hence, all four windings can be interpreted to say, "God is one."[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yet another interpretation holds that when we consider the windings between the knots, 7, 8, 11, and 13, the first three numbers equal 26, which is numerically equivalent to the Tetragrammaton and the remaining number, 13, is equivalent to "echad" ("one). Hence the windings tell us that God is One. If we take the sum of the first three numbers (7+8+11) and equate that with God's Name, then the 13 which remain can also be interpreted to reflect the 13 attributes of God, as articulated by Moses Maimonides and set to verse in the Yigdal.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By still another interpretation, the Gematria value of the word "Tzitzit" (tzadi-yod-tzitzit-yod-taf) is 600. To this we add the eight strands plus the five knots, totaling 613 in all. According to tradition, God gave us 613 mitzvot (commandments) in the Torah. Just looking at the tallit with its Tzitzit, therefore, reminds us of the commandments, as the Torah says, "You should see them and remember all God's commandments and do them."[/font]

You do not have to go to far to see this highlighted portion (emphasis mine) of the above text as a contraction of this:

Deu 6:4 Hear, Yisra'el: the LORD is our God; the LORD is one:

This fits nicely into the original context of the reason people wore fringes or Tzitzit in the first place. That said, I just want to conclude with the following.

I re-read Revelations 19:16 and now believe I understand the significance of the Tzitzit to Messianic believers.

Rev 19:16 He has on his garment and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

If you sit astride a horse, your Tzitzit, that are upon your vesture (Tallit) drape across your thigh (at eye level to anyone standing). I see this as a declaration that Yeshua will return wearing a Tallit and Tzitzits and commanding the FULL authority of the Father in heaven! His Name will be demonstrated in His unity with the Father, that He is One with the Father! I believe that He will then, in the "terrible day of His vengence", demonstrate the absolute command that He has been granted in all things! Baruch HaShem!

 

[Yahudim]

Hi

I COMPLETELY agree with you. That is not what I meant at all. By common people, I meant those of the region, not those of the children of Yisrael. The custom preceeded the Exodus and the Torah. The plan was the ALL of Yisrael would be blessed and prosper, remember? And He did prosper the children of Yisrael. The plan was that all would be set aside as a people of priest and kings. The command was that all tie Tzitzit on the four corners of their garments so that ALL Yisrael would be seen as servants of the King!

On the second part I said "contraction" not "contradiction". I guess I could have stated it a little more clearly. Sorry.

 

[Yahudim]

I should have said, "A referrence to"

 

[The Thadman]

What do you guys make of the Revelation Scripture which says that when the L-rd returns, His Name will be upon His thigh?

Within an Aramaic context, the word for "thigh" appears to be a mistake for the word for "banner."

Peace,
-Steve-o

 

[Shimshon]

He brings me to the banquet hall; his banner over me is love.

 

[Tomb523]

Hi All,
I am interested in what each of you think on my wearing TziTzit, I am wearing them daily from now on and they have the Blue Techelot thread as commanded in the scriptures.
I am sure it will cause a stir in both the messianic congregation that I go to and also amongst the non beleiving jewish community.
Shalom,
Mikhail

I wear them myself in the form of a Talit Katan. I wear them to my non-denom church and to work every day. Occasionally someone will ask why. My answer is I wear them to continually remind myself of all the God has done for me. I also have a prayer shawl which I pray with in the morning. My secular job is busy with long hours and I find it often easy to be distracted from what is truly important - God. These things help me focus on God and my Prayer life with Him.

 

[Louis Capuano]

Hello All,

I am a Presbyterian Christian, and I simply want to wear tallit kattan with tzitzit for no other reason than a reminder of God's Ten Commandments. The reason why I chose this form of reminder is because a life long friend of mine mentioned that they were mentioned in the Bible. I do not feel that I am obligated or bound to, I just do not want to "make up my own reminder". I feel as though it would be preferable to follow a direction from the Bible. Thoughts?

 

[Dave-W]

Hello All,

I am a Presbyterian Christian, and I simply want to wear tallit kattan with tzitzit for no other reason than a reminder of God's Ten Commandments. The reason why I chose this form of reminder is because a life long friend of mine mentioned that they were mentioned in the Bible. I do not feel that I am obligated or bound to, I just do not want to "make up my own reminder". I feel as though it would be preferable to follow a direction from the Bible. Thoughts?

Numbers 15 (NASB)
37 The Lord also spoke to Moses, saying, 38 “Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and that they shall put on the tassel of each corner a cord of blue. 39 It shall be a tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the Lord, so as to do them and not follow after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you played the harlot, 40 so that you may remember to do all My commandments and be holy to your God. 41 I am the Lord your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt to be your God; I am the Lord your God.”

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He taught about Love, setting the captives free, feeding the poor, and so much more. Why do people focus So MUCH on the Torah Observancy, when they should be focused on the True walk of Yeshua?

That IS Torah...

 

[pinacled]

Is there any possibility I could have such threads woven with twelve pearls?