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Wearing TziTzit

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Hi All,
I am interested in what each of you think on my wearing TziTzit, I am wearing them daily from now on and they have the Blue Techelot thread as commanded in the scriptures.
I am sure it will cause a stir in both the messianic congregation that I go to and also amongst the non beleiving jewish community.
Shalom,
Mikhail
 
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Yes, they are for your edification not others. You were supposed to be able to see them, not others. I put tzitziyot on my scarf (wearing it today), my guitar, and I use some of my talliot to cover my keyboards. They remind me how Yeshua blessed me with a passion to make music for his glory. I adorn them for my own rememberance. An outward physical reminder of how I am supposed to be inwardly holy to the Living Torah, Yeshua.

It is to be a tzitzit for you to look at and thereby remember all of ADONAI's mitzvot and obey them, so that you won't go around wherever your own heart and eyes lead you to prostitute yourselves; but it will help you remember and obey all my mitzvot and be holy for your God.
 
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Velcro said:
I could be wrong, but that you, I believe, is plural, including all who see the tzitzit.
IF you are living among those who profess to keep Torah, then seeing the tzitzit will indeed remind those who see them that they are a visual reminder of our committment and obligation to obey the Law of HaShem..

the "you" *could* be seen as including the Torah committed community in that case (although I believe that the rabbis have long taught that the tzitzit are a personal reminder, and I agree with them ....)

they will have no such effect on or meaning to either the non-Jewish believer who, by and large, believes the wearing ot the tzitzit are evidence that you are re-crucifying Yeshua, or on the non-believing non-Jewish person for whom they either have no meaning or designate only that the wearer is "a Jew."
 
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IF you are living among those who profess to keep Torah, then seeing the tzitzit will indeed remind those who see them that they are a visual reminder of our committment and obligation to obey the Law of HaShem.
AMEIN!!

the "you" *could* be seen as including the Torah committed community in that case (although I believe that the rabbis have long taught that the tzitzit are a personal reminder, and I agree with them ....)
AMEIN!!

they will have no such effect on or meaning to either the non-Jewish believer who, by and large, believes the wearing ot the tzitzit are evidence that you are re-crucifying Yeshua, or on the non-believing non-Jewish person for whom they either have no meaning or designate only that the wearer is "a Jew."
And AMEIN again!! I am in full agreement.

Your final paragraph is the very reason I have not rushed to have a talit katan, although I paid for one about 1.5 years ago that I have not yet received. Long story. So i wear tzitzit at the synagogue on Sabbath but not at other times, whether or not I am with others from my shul. Also, another thing I have thought of is that the purpose is to see them. I am not sure about wearing them at night, in the dark. But then maybe that is going too far. I am still thinking about it all.
 
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shimshon said:
Yes, they are for your edification not others. You were supposed to be able to see them, not others. I put tzitziyot on my scarf (wearing it today), my guitar, and I use some of my talliot to cover my keyboards. They remind me how Yeshua blessed me with a passion to make music for his glory. I adorn them for my own rememberance. An outward physical reminder of how I am supposed to be inwardly holy to the Living Torah, Yeshua.

It is to be a tzitzit for you to look at and thereby remember all of ADONAI's mitzvot and obey them, so that you won't go around wherever your own heart and eyes lead you to prostitute yourselves; but it will help you remember and obey all my mitzvot and be holy for your God.

I find this rather interesting, as it is a longstanding myth about Karaites (propagated by certain Rabbinics), that we hang our tzitzit on the walls and not on our clothing.

Peace,
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Hi no that certainly is not to reason my comment was in anticipation of others response. Keep in mind that the Messianic congregation that I go to is not Torah Observant friendly and that by wearing the Blue in them that it by implication will be somewhat of an issue to those who follow Rabbinical instructions to just have white threads. Add to this that I am not Jewish.

That said it was after much of each of the following reasearch, prayer and guidance by the Ruach HaKodesh.

I do wear them as the Mitzvot to remind myself to keep all his commandments for me personally. It am keeping note of how my starting to practice this Mitzvot will effect me and my habits. I found that many things that I had not thought of effected my daily habits and created new ones when I started keeping Shabbat several months ago.
Shalom,
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Velcro said:
I am still going over some of the ideas re wearing them and have not completely settled all my questions, so wearing them on Shabbat works for now. I wish I had a talit katan so that I could wear them each day. Perhaps I should make one.

I have purchased several NeatTzit garments www.neatzit.com that I purchased at the local Judaica store in my city. They are about US $15.00 each 100% Cotton (Light TShirt Material) and very comfortable with a snap on each side. I took off the white TziTzit and put on the white and blue Karaite style ones which I purchased from karaite Corner thaey are extremely practical wirth loops to make it easy to take them on and off various 4 cornered garments.
Shalom,
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Velcro said:
AMEIN!!
Your final paragraph is the very reason I have not rushed to have a talit katan, although I paid for one about 1.5 years ago that I have not yet received. Long story. So i wear tzitzit at the synagogue on Sabbath but not at other times, whether or not I am with others from my shul. Also, another thing I have thought of is that the purpose is to see them. I am not sure about wearing them at night, in the dark. But then maybe that is going too far. I am still thinking about it all.

THe overwhelming reason for me is to obey the Mitzvot personally so what others may think of me wearing them is just something that I will have to get used too. I am concerned mainly about doing and becoming whatever that YHWH wants me to do and become so obedience to the commandments of the Torah is my aim.
Shalom,
Mikhail
 
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Amein, Mikhail. I believe the whole purpose in wearing tzitzit is the idea of obedience. I immediately began to rethink many things when I started wearing them.

The first thing that happened to me after starting to wear tzitzit was that I had a severe allergic reaction to some food on Sabbath and I needed some medicine to keep my throat from closing. I couldn't bring myself to go into the drug store to get the meds! I sat in the car and asked my husband to go in to get it! I have since worked those kinds of things out, but it was a real eye-opener.

I also wear blue and white, although I have one set of white. Those at my shul who wear them -- which is a about half of both men and women and some children -- wear blue and white. We are mostly a very orthodox shul, for one believing in Y'shua.
 
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Mikhail said:
and that by wearing the Blue in them that it by implication will be somewhat of an issue to those who follow Rabbinical instructions to just have white threads.

Just chiming in to say that I know many, many Jews (Rabbinical) who use the thread of techelet in their tzitzit. It is growing.
 
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The Thadman said:
I find this rather interesting, as it is a longstanding myth about Karaites (propagated by certain Rabbinics), that we hang our tzitzit on the walls and not on our clothing.

Peace,
-Steve-o
Using that analogy, in a loose sense, your 'house' is your family, so your kids are your fringes, and they should be properly tied to represent the word of YHVH with a thread of heaven throughout their being (Ruach/techelot). They are your tzitziyot. (now i'm really starting to sounding like a chassid, oy).

Thadman, i've not heard that 'myth' about Karaites. Though if Rabbi's can define a verse as to physically hang a scroll on your doorpost, forehead and arm, then I can see how they might entertain this 'myth' as well.
 
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Mikhail said:
It am keeping note of how my starting to practice this Mitzvot will effect me and my habits. I found that many things that I had not thought of effected my daily habits and created new ones

Are you noticing how they 'get in the way' of things you used to do freely? When i wear mine they constantly can get caught in things and you find yourself being careful of letting them touch the ground or other 'dirty' objects. Now you dont' have the ability to freely move as you once did.

This is just something I've noticed by wearing them 'outside' of rabbinical customs. I've seen you bought some NeatZit. I have too, only i'm not that impressed with the company as they charged me more than the invoice reported, then mailed me only 2 out of 5 katan's, and they did not return calls to remedy the situation. My bank is dealing with them at the moment.

Anyway, if you wear them on your belt loops or on katan's you might not find them as cumbersome as when you adorn them on a winter scarf like I have. The tzitziyot hang just past my knees if I don't wrap it around my neck, and if I sit or bend down the first place they gravitate is the floor. Hence my issue with 'getting in your way', or is it more of a reminder of just 'why' you wear them? Yes, that's the way I like to see it. But, sometimes my first reaction is they are in the way, then I realize why i'm wearing them (the Ruach speaks), and I know the duty I have been given and respond accordingly.

BTW, the duty of which I speak is not the old covenant mitzvah but the fact that YHVH requires us to love him with all our being. And my outward show of adorning and respecting my tzitziyot is reflecting my inward heart condition. That I love Yeshua ADONAI with all my soul. This is the mitzvot I am walking out in my heart. And I do this weather I wear tzitziyot or not.
 
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shimshon said:
I've seen you bought some NeatZit. I have too, only i'm not that impressed with the company as they charged me more than the invoice reported, then mailed me only 2 out of 5 katan's, and they did not return calls to remedy the situation. My bank is dealing with them at the moment.

I'm sorry you've had trouble with them. Most of my son's came from NeatZit and we've never had any problems. I hope you get it all straightened out soon!
 
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Todah Talmidah, me too. I knew I was in for it when the only U.S. number I had was in brooklyn and the man who answered was most definitly Israeli. It took almost 3 min to get him to realize I did not want to check on an order not yet received, but to find out why the order I had received was incorrect. Then he said he would 'let them know' and it would be taken care of immedietly. I knew I was in for it when he said " let them know", because then I knew I was talking to someone who could not help me at all. You know, that phone call where you talk to one person only to have them switch you to another, and you have to state the issue all over again, but they can't help you either, so you get shuffled around again? It was either talk to this guy in brooklyn or pay for a call to Yisrael.

Either way it was not a good experience. But truthfully Tal, I've never had one with a 'Judaic' businesses. Sadly enough. Every time I order from Yisrael or U.S. sites that offer Yisraeli products the order gets messed up or the product is woefully inadequate. Makes me want to get into the business myself, so someone will be treating people right out there.
 
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Some time ago I was convicted by the Spirit to wear the tzitzit. I started with a katan, but I was not convinced that was the intent. After some study, I had a shirt made that I wear over my clothes and has the fringes on the four corners. The scripture that commands the tzitzit refers to garment, and in my studies the garment is something you can go out in public in. I wouldn't do that in a katan, so I asked for a shirt long enough to modestly cover me if it were the only thing I wore. I have had some questions, but nobody has been offended, at least not that they have said. One orthodox lady asked why a Irishman wore them, I simply told her I was a Torah observant follower of the Jewish Messiah. she said shalom.

Why do it at all? In my mind, Father gave the commandment for a reason. He gave the reason in this case, which is unusual. So when we look upon them we will remember His commanments to keep and do them. So I wear them because God said to, and when I look on them, I remember His commandments, and try better to keep and do them. I guess I could spiritualize or expand on what God said, but I prefer to go His way. I have a friend who put one on the mirror of his car to remind him, okay, but God didn't tell us to do that, its an expansion, is there a problem? Not if the meaning and the method don't destroy the original word, but then, I don't think we should neglect what we are directed to do to do our own thing.

It seem there is a lot of God said.... but I have a better idea.... that occurs in all of us.
 
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Talmidah said:
Just chiming in to say that I know many, many Jews (Rabbinical) who use the thread of techelet in their tzitzit. It is growing.

Thanks Talmidah my heart rejoices to hear that news, it is one of my prayers that HaShem would restore this aspect to all those that would want to obey this commandment. Would you care to identify the sources of Techelot that you use or are aware of that is used by yourself and other Jews (Rabbinical) you know of. That way I can point them to sources that they would be comfortable with.
Shalom,
Mikhail
 
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