We Sure Are Good At Messing Up The Trinity

[BCsenior]

God bless Kate

Yes, I agree on this at least ... God bless Kate

 

[Bible Highlighter]

But, we're interested in understanding and quoting accurately, aren't we?
I suggest that people go back and re-read what was actually written.

He said Jesus is not God in the same league as the Father. This is wrong because they are both co-equally God as a part of the Trinity or the Godhead.

As far as hierarchy of the Godhead is concerned: That is different. That deals with the mode of how the triune Godhead operates. That does not mean one member of the Trinity is not God. It deals with rank of operation and authority, but it does not mean one person of the Godhead is any less equally God.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I couldn't help but notice that a certain poster in the recently closed thread concerning OSAS, made this comment that nobody else seemed to notice:

"Technically, Jesus was not God ... not in the same league as Father God
because He was part human ... Jesus was the God-man.
That's why jesus said His Father was greater than He was!"

What do you think of this quote? Is it accurate? Is it heresy?

I think it is a little odd that is, as human beings, who actually know very little about God and the Trinity make such statements.

I remember the good old days where people admitted what they didn’t know and prescribed some awe of God.

 

[BCsenior]

... but it does not mean one person of the Godhead is any less equally God.

C'mon, you know Jesus said Father God was greater than He was!
This is pretty much all I have been pointing to.

Therefore, on some levels, Jesus was not as great as Father God.
Gee, it couldn't be that He was FULLY MAN, could it?

 

[BCsenior]

I think it is a little odd that is, as human beings, who actually know very little about God and the Trinity make such statements.

Please refer to post #104.
Muchas gracias! (Spanish)
Blogodaryia mnogo! (Bulgarian)
Thank you very much!

 

[His student]

Jesus speaking as a representative man - emptied of the prerogatives of God and humbled as a bond servant as He was - clearly said that the Heavenly Father was greater than He was. There should be, therefore, no debate about that.

But that is completely different from saying that the resurrected and fully glorified Jesus Christ is not God.

After all He accepted worship as such and the scriptures clearly say that God purchased our salvation "with His own blood".

Likewise - (if you subscribe to His eternal relationship to the Father as the Son of God) that He was not always God from eternity past.

Jesus, praying in the Garden & also speaking in the same way, indicated that His will was different to the will of the Father (although He willingly subjected His desires to the will of the Father - as we all should if we aren't to sin).

But, as in the issue addressed before, that is completely different from saying that the incarnate God has ever had or ever will ever have a will in conflict with His Father (assuming that you subscribe to the eternal relationship of a God the Son to a God the Father).

There is no shadow of turning with God.

 

[BCsenior]

There is no shadow of turning with God.

Maybe you'd like to explain that.

And this ...

The Word (i.e. God) became flesh, i.e. a human (i.e. Jesus).

This was accomplished via the union of ...
His "father" (the Holy Spirit, i.e. God)
and
His mother (Mary, wife of Joseph).

Methinks, there are 3 involved here!

Please, no one say the Word was/is the Holy Spirit.

Signing off now from Star #70953862 ...

 

[His student]

Maybe you'd like to explain that.

You have proven yourself over and over again to be a divisive trouble maker who stirs up the Body of Christ.

I'm pretty sure that most people here will agree with me.

I would put you on ignore. But that only serves to allow you to post things without me knowing what you write. Not very wise in my view.

I intend to not post directly to you other than posts like this one because I don't want to contend with one who is perhaps a fool in God's eyes and you may well be one.

 

[BCsenior]

I don't want to contend with one who is perhaps a fool in God's eyes and you may well be one.

I warn believers that the NT says it's possible to lose their salvation,
and you say I may be a fool in God's eyes.
I'd say you are strong on OSAS/eternal security,
which means you are in danger.

BTW, can you follow and understand what I write?

Aaaah, I'm remembering more clearly now ...
you have always been extremely strongly against me!
IMO, I have greatly shaken you and that little boat
of yours in that peaceful little bathtub of yours.
Sorry, but I'm just passing along God's warnings to you!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

C'mon, you know Jesus said Father God was greater than He was!
This is pretty much all I have been pointing to.

Therefore, on some levels, Jesus was not as great as Father God.
Gee, it couldn't be that He was FULLY MAN, could it?

Again, rank of authority in the Trinity does not mean one person of the Godhead is any less God. Jesus was worshipped as God. So that means He qualifies as God.

 

[BCsenior]

Jesus was worshipped as God. So that means He qualifies as God.

Don't you realize how totally ridiculous this is?
1.5 billion poor souls worship Mohammed's god, Allah ... so Allah is God?
They think he is (and even many Christians think Allah is our God), but he is not.
and etc. etc.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Don't you realize how totally ridiculous this is?
1.5 billion poor souls worship Mohammed's god, Allah ... so Allah is God?
etc. etc.

So you believe Jesus was falsely worshiped as God? If so, why didn't Jesus correct them?
Jesus taught that you shall worship the Lord your God only and Him alone you shall serve. Jesus taught that we should serve Him.

 

[BCsenior]

So you believe Jesus was falsely worshiped as God? If so, why didn't Jesus correct them?
Jesus taught that you shall worship the Lord your God only and Him alone you shall serve.
Jesus taught that we should serve Him.

I rest my case, folks!
Now, if you don't mind, I'll just slip out and commit suicide.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Don't you realize how totally ridiculous this is?
1.5 billion poor souls worship Mohammed's god, Allah ... so Allah is God?
They think he is (and even many Christians think Allah is our God), but he is not.
and etc. etc.

Furthermore, during Christ's Earthly ministry: Jesus is God (not in Word only but also in power), as well; For...

#1. Jesus said He was going to raise up the temple (his body) three days later (John 2:19-20).
#2. Jesus said He had power to raise the dead to life just as the Father can raise the dead to life (John 5:21).
#3. Jesus said where two are three are gathered in his name, He is among them (Matthew 18:20).
#4. Jesus held everything together by the word of his power when he purged us of our sins (on the cross) (Hebrews 1:3).
#5. Jesus had the power of God to forgive sin and provide eternal life to people (Matthew 9:5) (John 10:28).
#6. Jesus had the power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
#7. Jesus received worship as God (Matthew 28:16-17).​

So while Jesus operated by the power of the Father, and the Spirit, He also operated by His own power, too.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I rest my case, folks!
Now, if you don't mind, I'll just slip out and commit suicide.

You did not make any case (involving the Bible) that disproves what I said with Scripture.
We all know Jesus was worshiped as God, and Jesus did not correct them for it.
We also know that Jesus taught that we are to worship the Lord our God only.
So if they were worshiping Him falsely, He would be the first one to say something to them.

Oh, and please do not go out and commit suicide.
Don't even joke about such a thing, friend.
Jesus loves you. He wants you to live so as to love Him, and others.

 

[Strong in Him]

Now, if you don't mind, I'll just slip out and commit suicide.

Suicide is no joke - that was a flippant comment to make.

 

[BCsenior]

Jesus said we are responsible for every careless word we say or write.
Believers should think carefully before writing their posts.
As for me ... the Lord knows that I joke a lot, and people know it too.

 

[Strong in Him]

As for me ... the Lord knows that I joke a lot, and people know it too.

Not everyone who reads your post would know that.
Suicide is not a joke.

 

[devin553344]

I couldn't help but notice that a certain poster in the recently closed thread concerning OSAS, made this comment that nobody else seemed to notice:

"Technically, Jesus was not God ... not in the same league as Father God
because He was part human ... Jesus was the God-man.
That's why jesus said His Father was greater than He was!"

What do you think of this quote? Is it accurate? Is it heresy?

In order to stay out of a potential blasphemous area I will leave God things to God and stay in human things. Yes I coward'd out of the discussion

 

[Kate30]

Poor Kate ... I have another deep issue for you to contemplate!
Art thou ready for this?

From Scripture, I see what Father God insisted on ...
A sinless human being must die for the sins of the world!
(specifically for those who would go along with His Plan of Salvation).

Am I being clear?
The #1 criteria for Father God was that the human had to be sinless!

Now, could you prove to me via Scripture that this sinless human being had to be God?

BC Senior we have had sinless humans before. You need only to look apon Adam and Eve they were the most ennoble and best of our race perfectly endowed in every way both body and soul. You don’t think God could not have created another perfect human for sacrifice if that is all that was required for the wages of sin. No because it required something much deeper it required God himself becoming the perfect God man to pay for the wages of sin. You would like scripture. Well scripture does abound John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Who was the Word? John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. So no temple sacrifice of animals or any other temporary sacrifice was sufficient to complete complete that task only the God Man could do that. Yes our Heavenly Father did mention all those requirements you did mention. You simply forget to mention the Holy Spirt and our Lord Jesus Christ being in mutual agreement as well. For there are three that bear witness in heaven. ❤️