We cannot change or ignore the Word of God

[Jaxxi]

So why was the homosexuality forum closed? We should have that on here because it is real and a true threat to the salvation of human souls. It does not matter that it is unpopular. It should have never been legalized in America. Just because lots of people are engaging in this sin we don't just silence God to make them comfortable. Why not open it back up?

 

[PloverWing]

What forum do you have in mind? In my 9 years on CF, we've never had a forum in which homosexuality could be freely discussed. Was there a forum that I missed?

 

[BobRyan]

So why was the homosexuality forum closed? We should have that on here because it is real and a true threat to the salvation of human souls. It does not matter that it is unpopular. It should have never been legalized in America. Just because lots of people are engaging in this sin we don't just silence God to make them comfortable. Why not open it back up?

It is legal in America in fact it is a matter of civil rights after that supreme court ruling. God does not hand over to the Supreme Court the job of defining or redefining sin , but people tend to want to take that into their own hands anyway.

 

[VCR-2000]

It is legal in America in fact it is a matter of civil rights after that supreme court ruling. God does not hand over to the Supreme Court the job of defining or redefining sin , but people tend to want to take that into their own hands anyway.

As a note, if you remember from American history is that the Europeans settled here to escape the rule of the king and prosecution. The tradition was self-rule and rebellion against the monarchy, and they wanted to establish freedom of expression and rule their own land. So, with America being the biggest Christian nation and all that, that analogy in a way is closer to the rebellion of God.

 

[BobRyan]

As a note, if you remember from American history is that the Europeans settled here to escape the rule of the king and prosecution. The tradition was self-rule and rebellion against the monarchy, and they wanted to establish freedom of expression and rule their own land. So, with America being the biggest Christian nation and all that, that analogy in a way is closer to the rebellion of God.

Many of the first people to settle in America were driven by the need for "religious Liberty" and we get that up front and center in the Bill of Rights. The Ten commandments as Jews and Protestants view them have man's duty to God identified in the first four commandments - and man's duty to man - identified in the last six commandments.

Religious liberty pertains to the first four commandments and does not allow the state to dictated to the conscience how one chooses to comply with those four commandments. God defines it.

God also defines the marriage institution of Genesis 2.

And God defines a human - with gender being binary - as we see in Gen 1 and 2. That was not "a supreme court decision" to create humans that way.

But it does allow the state to create civil penalties for various violations of the last six commandments. So for example civil penalties for killing, stealing, lying in a contract or under oath etc.

 

[VCR-2000]

That's interesting about the commandments. I guess my question is more of "how strict or literally does God's boundaries for standard behavior go?" and I mean in terms of man to man and not man to God.

 

[tampasteve]

There was a forum on Debating Homosexuality, but it was closed in 2008. The reason stated was:
"We are closing DOH effective immediately as it can be talked about in CP&E or in the Society Category in the Ethics and Morality forum."

So long as the Statement of Purpose for specific forums and the site wide rules are followed, that would still hold true:

• Homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, transsexualism and transgenderism may not be promoted* on CF (including member profiles). Several debate forums allow homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, transsexualism and transgenderism to be discussed from a political, legal, historical, and civil rights point of view. Please check the Statement of Purpose thread for individual debate forums before posting. Homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, transsexualism and transgenderism may be discussed, without promotion*, in the Congregational in line with each group's beliefs there. You may post without promotion* in the Struggles with Sexuality and Ask a Chaplain forums solely for the purpose of seeking support with personal struggles related to these issues.

 

[PloverWing]

Thanks, @tampasteve . The Debating Homosexuality forum predates me. Was the restriction you've quoted in place when that forum was active, or was the restriction added later?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

It should have never been legalized in America. Just because lots of people are engaging in this sin we don't just silence God to make them comfortable.

Sin and legality are two different things. Adultery is legal also.

 

[tampasteve]

Thanks, @tampasteve . The Debating Homosexuality forum predates me. Was the restriction you've quoted in place when that forum was active, or was the restriction added later?

I am not completely sure what the original restrictions were, that forum also predates me here. However, I can say that in 2012 we adjusted the rules to a similar statement that said:

Do not promote homosexuality on Christian Forums. Homosexuality can only be discussed, without promotion, in Christian Communities and Faith Groups. Homosexuality may also be discussed in the Recovery and Ask a Chaplain forums solely for the purpose of seeking support with struggles overcoming same-sex attractions, and homosexual issues.

Then that statement was expanded over the years to what we have now.

 

[Jaxxi]

There was a forum on Debating Homosexuality, but it was closed in 2008. The reason stated was:
"We are closing DOH effective immediately as it can be talked about in CP&E or in the Society Category in the Ethics and Morality forum."

So long as the Statement of Purpose for specific forums and the site wide rules are followed, that would still hold true:

• Homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, transsexualism and transgenderism may not be promoted* on CF (including member profiles). Several debate forums allow homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, transsexualism and transgenderism to be discussed from a political, legal, historical, and civil rights point of view. Please check the Statement of Purpose thread for individual debate forums before posting. Homosexuality, same-sex marriage, bisexuality, transsexualism and transgenderism may be discussed, without promotion*, in the Congregational in line with each group's beliefs there. You may post without promotion* in the Struggles with Sexuality and Ask a Chaplain forums solely for the purpose of seeking support with personal struggles related to these issues.

What forum do you have in mind? In my 9 years on CF, we've never had a forum in which homosexuality could be freely discussed. Was there a forum that I missed?

The following is the closed forum screenshots-

Those don't look familiar? There were posts up until 2015. You can still see it but you cannot respond. Why would it be taken down?

 

[tampasteve]

The following is the closed forum screenshots-
View attachment 308070 View attachment 308071

Those don't look familiar? There were posts up until 2015. You can still see it but you cannot respond. Why would it be taken down?

There is one post from 2015 and one from 2010. However, it is because those posts were made in a thread that was subsequently moved to that forum as it did not fit anywhere else. Rather than delete the thread entirely it was decided to make it a thread that could still be seen and maybe help other people. As that was 6 and 11 years ago I cannot know any more details than that.

I am going to go ahead and close this thread. We are not going to start another debate forum or open the old one at this time. Discussions on the subject can take place in the other forums as was decided back in 2008.