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None of those are boundaries to evolution of new taxa.
I notice you didn't answer my question.-- solid aurum!
Post of the year, so far as I'm concerned.
SMH
You won't go to hell for being a YEC. God doesn't care if you approve of the way He does creation. But if you make YEC into an idol, that could be a problem for you.
What gap between reptiles and mammals do you think exists?
Validating ToE with predictions and other evidence don't prove that the history of life on earth is the result of a natural process.By making correct predictions. For example, if said descent happened, then a transitional fish would be expected in a certain time period. Digging commenced in the appropriate layer and Lo and Behold, the Tiktaalik was found as predicted!
I'm not disputing that mammals descended from fish (however, neither do I accept that it's true). My point is that if mammals did indeed descend from fish, it can't be proven that a natural process was responsible for it.This is very strong evidence for mammals having descended from fish.
The true history of life is unknowable, but it seems unlikely that a fossil mammal will ever be found in the preCambrian ... mainly bcoz it seems unlikely that mammals existed in the preCambrian.Confirmation of predictions is very possible, as illustrated above. The TOE also predicts that we won't find a fossil mammal in the precambrian, and so far that's never happened.
Agreed.A confirmed prediction is certainly very strong evidence, and definitely qualifies as science.
I think you misunderstand. It isn't that I think you should go out and read "the book" with the "proof" in it. My point is that you keep making wrong claims about biology and evolution. You don't know enough to make a proper argument for your own side. But...Which biology book describes how mammals descended from fish via a natural process ... and then proves that its description is actually what happened and not just a theory?
I suggest no such book exists.
Because they regard a literal interpretation of Genesis as shallow and theologically inadequate and based on the heresy of Sola Scriptura.Then explain their zero tolerance for those who interpret Genesis 1 & 2 literally.
Because it doesn't do any good. A couple of days ago over in Politics I posted the Nicene Creed as a statement of my faith just for fun and sure enough, it was rejected out of hand by one of your biblical literalist colleagues.They seem pretty sensitive about it, and I suspect it's because they indeed are sensitive to being challenged.
I've been called just about everything, but what's in my profile.
And I suspect it's because I dare have standards.
And I'll post my standards, along with my prime directive, any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
No one else will.
And I suspect it's because they don't have any to post.
Just saying.
ETA: Okay -- the Scientific Method. I'll give them credit for that.
How about you answer his question and quit ignoring everyone?
However, there is a natural process described by the theory of evolution which is in principle capable of doing the job, all of the evidence found so far is consistent with it and there is no evidence of any other process at work.Validating ToE with predictions and other evidence don't prove that the history of life on earth is the result of a natural process.
I'm not disputing that mammals descended from fish (however, neither do I accept that it's true). My point is that if mammals did indeed descend from fish, it can't be proven that a natural process was responsible for it.
The true history of life is unknowable, but it seems unlikely that a fossil mammal will ever be found in the preCambrian ... mainly bcoz it seems unlikely that mammals existed in the preCambrian.
Agreed.
Few creationists will admit the fact. It makes no sense in terms of creationism, but it's completely consistent with evolutionThere is no gap between reptiles and mammals.
That's the YE revision of God's word. But it's false.They both appeared ex materia on the same day.
Because the distinction you make between YECs and yourself seems vacuous.Who says I'm a YEC?
Like I said, I'm called everything but what's in my profile.
And are you disagreeing with those who call me a Last Thursdayist? or Apparent Ager? or other things?
Provine is described in Wikipedia as:Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent. “Evolution: Free will and punishment and meaning in life” (1998 Darwin Day Keynote Address)
Dr. Provine
Either Wikipedia is wrong about Provine's speciality, or Provine was disturbingly incompetent, or Provine had a severe honesty deficit.There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Charles Darwin, last sentence of On the Origin of Species (my emphasis)
If I was going to characterize the thoughts of a famous scientist, I think I'd at least read his most famous work to be sure I got it right. But that's just me...
The Bible itself denies Sola Scriptura.Because they regard a literal interpretation of Genesis as shallow and theologically inadequate and based on the heresy of Sola Scriptura.
The Nicene Creed is accepted by the Western Church, including (most) Protestants, but there's a point of contention therein for the Eastern Church:Because it doesn't do any good. A couple of days ago over in Politics I posted the Nicene Creed as a statement of my faith just for fun and sure enough, it was rejected out of hand by one of your biblical literalist colleagues.
Because they regard a literal interpretation of Genesis as shallow and theologically inadequate and based on the heresy of Sola Scriptura.
Some religious people have a need to feel persecuted. Your pastor seems to be one of those. How sad.My pastor makes the point that those who preach diversity and inclusion, will accept anyone.
With one exception:
Independent Fundamental Baptists.
Because the distinction you make between YECs and yourself seems vacuous.
Probably the same excuse creationists use to riducle Traditional Christians and call us things we aren't.Okay -- they regard a literal interpretation of Genesis as shallow and theologically inadequate, etc.
What about those who don't?
What's their excuse for ridiculing us and calling us things we aren't?
Acceptance has to go both ways.My pastor makes the point that those who preach diversity and inclusion, will accept anyone.
With one exception:
Independent Fundamental Baptists.
Who cares? I'll take the age given by geologists as a good enough working assumption. The age determined by members of fringe Christian sects based the the dubious reading of an ancient religious text which isn't about geology are of little interest.How old is this rock in the eyes of a YEC?
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How old is that same rock in my eyes?
Even odder is the large amount of blood which has been shed over it.The Bible itself denies Sola Scriptura.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The Nicene Creed is accepted by the Western Church, including (most) Protestants, but there's a point of contention therein for the Eastern Church:
The term "Filioque" (Latin for "and the Son") refers to a clause added to the Nicene Creed, a statement of Christian belief, by the Western Church. It asserts that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, whereas the Eastern Orthodox Church maintains that the Holy Spirit proceeds only from the Father. This difference in interpretation has been a major point of contention between the two branches of Christianity, contributing to the Great Schism of 1054
Seems like an odd thing to argue about,but there it is.
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