Water Spirits spiritual warfare anyone?

[holythemholyme]

I come from a third world country where offerings to water spirits and spirit gods is common (this is in the caribbean)

My family and I were never into that but it is common and most christians choose to ignore it or not do spiritual warfare into the waters for fear but we are supposed to exorcise our waters . I advice you all to read this book explaining the influence of water spirits and deliverance of some people from them, it is certainly eye opening.
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The first time I went to exorcise my local waters I felt guided because first I had a dream about being very happy and dancing with joy in front of the sea. In the next days I went with my family in the afternoon to a small beach near my home and the following happened as soon as I got into the water the lifeguard told everyone to get out of the beach but it wasn't closing time yet, in fact we had another whole hour before it closed down completely but we and my sister sneaked out later and got inside the waters and we were the only ones submerged in the waters even tough there was people all around us no one was getting in!

I got lucky! I did my thing and said several prayers over the water nothing big happened but there was a lot of little fish swimming around my hands and other fish jumping behind me . A group of about 6 big black vultures started flying in low circles around the place and stayed close in the trees watching us, dont know if that's normal or not around here but I felt good and non threatened the whole time.

I have had encounters in other days with other animals in the sea by accident such as a huge manatee that was swimming really close to me .

Several days after that I had another amazing dream of the sea but this time it was snowing in front of the sea and again I was really happy and jumping around, jesus was mentioned in this dream and big sea backward waves started coming around.

With this post I want to know if anyone else is into these things? Have you ever had experiences with water spirits, or any weirdness in general coming from the water? thanks

 

[Faulty]

Perhaps the Christians who do not do warfare over the water isn't out of fear, but rather out of the knowledge it's just water.

 

[holythemholyme]

Chapter 4

MANIFESTATIONS OF WATER SPIRITS

How they are worshipped?
There are many ways people invoke the power of water spirits through worship. Some of them are listed hereunder:
1. On the beachfronts of many African nations, we find members of certain religious sects always having their worship and spending days and nights “praying” into the sea. Usually they are attired in white gowns and burn candles. Examples of this can be found in Bar Beach in Lagos Nigeria and Monrovia Beach in Liberia.
2. Bathing in ponds or rivers at certain times of the day (midnight or midday); this ritual bath is “baptism” into water spirit worship
3. Throwing objects like clothes, jewelry, underwear or beads inside the waters or leaving such items like chicken, goats or other livestock as sacrifice near the river or streams as directed by the water spirit priests or priestesses
4. Sprinkling of “holy” waters on devotees
5. Purification rituals involving the washing of hands and feet and sex organs of devotees in sacred streams and rivers
6. Fetish priests take young girls to the river to bath them and marry them to the water spirits making scarifies to the spirits. Usually such girls become prostitutes and lesbians and find it extremely difficult to marry or to keep their marriage.
7. In the riverine areas of some countries in Africa, a new baby is dropped into a river on their day of birth and collected seven days later. If he dies, that means he is “unacceptable” to the river gods but if he lives, the gods have accepted him or her. This is a dedication of the baby to the water spirits.
8. Some “white garment” sects usually build their “churches” near rivers deriving their power from the waters.
9. Wombs can become water-spirit altars when a woman is asked to go and wash in a certain river before she can conceive.
10. In many coastal areas, fishermen make sacrifices to these spirits in order to have a good catch. Some also sacrifice to their nets.
11. In Haiti, there is a waterfall where voodooists from all over the world come on annual pilgrimage and offer worship to the water spirits to receive greater voodoo power. The devotees drop all kinds of tokens around the waterfalls and in the waters. These are covenant tokens with water spirits.
12. In India, there are sacred rivers like the Ganges where people go in to wash at specific periods of the year and offer sacrifices of various objects.
13. In many cities in the western world, fountains are created and people are asked to drop coins inside the fountains and make a wish. This is water spirit worship. The coins are a covenant token making a covenant with the water spirit.
14. In a city called Venice, 30 minutes away from Santa Monica, California, there is a beachfront where there is much apparent occult activity. It is like a market or exhibition center of Satan, where virtually every occult group is represented, marketing their spiritual wares.
15. Forbidding to fish on certain days or at certain seasons is another manifestation of water spirit worship or in some cases; it is forbidden to fish in sacred streams and rivers
16. Festivals like Osun Osogbo in South West Nigeria, where tens of thousands of people from all over Nigeria and abroad come together once a year to worship the river goddess called Osun Osogbo, the goddess of River Osogbo
17. Serpents come out of the waters (rivers or seas) that the people worship and in return the serpents do not bite them. The worshippers even play with the serpents from the waters in some cases. Some devotees have sex with the serpents.
18. People who have been set free from deep involvement in the kingdom of darkness and who are now in Christ Jesus have testified to the reality of a kingdom under the sea from where Satan is said to control his followers in the world. It is the strategic operational control center of the kingdom of darkness.
19. Many kings and presidents of nations (like Pharaoh of Egypt in Ex. 7:15) go to raise attars at the source of many rivers to draw strength from water spirits, to secure power to rule. In the case of some big rivers in Africa some of which run through more than one nation, kings and presidents raise marine altars at the source of such rivers and derive witchcraft power for their oppressive rule from such worship of water spirit. Some African presidents are known to have raised such altars at the source of River Nile and hence they rule in wickedness by evil power from water spirits, i.e., an ex-strongman of Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) in Africa (then called Zaire) worked closely with water spirits and institutionalized sorcery as an act of government to control the nation and its wealth.
20. Mariners pour libation into the sea as a covenant with water spirits to ensure safe voyages at sea and fishermen do same to ensure a good harvest of fish.
21. Important landmark areas and places in cities with water spirit manifestations have such places named to glorify the spirit, e.g., a restaurant in a big hotel was named “MERMAID RESTAURANT.”
22. In many countries in Asia and Africa, before bridges are built over rivers, the rivers are appeased with blood sacrifice. This in effect is appeasing the water spirits that are believed to be controlling the waters. There is a beach on the Atlantic seashore in Lagos, Nigeria and each time there is a ocean surge and it overflows the boundaries onto the city, the water spirit priests claim the water goddess is angry and needs to be appeased with animal sacrifice.
23. Some kings or traditional rulers have to go through some ritual baths before completing their requirements of the initiations necessary before they ascend the throne to govern. This is not an ordinary bath.
24. Initiation into manhood rituals is still carried out in certain communities and this involves taking such candidates to certain sacred stream or rivers for ritual baths and “cleansing” some communities in Africa, during puberty, water spirit priests take nubile maidens to rivers or steams where older women or the water spirit priestesses bath them.
25. On the full moon every November in Thailand, little boats called Putons decorated with flowers are put on the rivers to carry away the troubles of people as they float downstream. People expect better things to come after this ritual, which is a combined worship of the moon goddess and water spirits. It happens during the LOIKOTONG festival. (Culled from Idolatry: Emeka Nwakpa, page 114.)
26. Water spirits also manifest as Mermaids having the head of a woman but the tail of a fish instead of legs (see picture on front cover). The Merman’s have the head of a man but the tail of fish instead of legs. According to Encyclopedia Britannia, Vol. 15, page 196, mermaids and mermen are members of a cultural race half human and half-fish; they inhabit the sea and some inland waters, though they can also live on land. Some live on both land and water while others live in stones and rocks, some in trees and others in all kinds of waters, etc.
These are only a few manifestation of the worship of water spirits. Many of the above stated examples involve covenants with the marine spirits and raising of marine altars to worship them.
Whoever reads this and still denies the existence or reality of water spirits needs to ask God to please open his spiritual eyes, as Elisha asked God for his servant in 2 Kings 6:15-17. Please stop and read this passage.

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Chapter 5

HOW PEOPLE AND TERRITORIES ARE CONTAMINATED, INFESTED, INITIATED AND OPPRESSED BY THE WATER SPIRITS

People and territories are contaminated, infested, initiated and oppressed by the water spirits in the following ways:
1. Through initiation by parents or ancestors by reason of one’s family lineage
2. Through the geographical location a man lives or where he is born. Even when you do not consciously invite the water spirits, as long as they are ruling spirits in their environment, a person can get contaminated/infested as long as he is not in Christ and even if he or she is but does not have understanding of deliverance or spiritual warfare (Hos. 4:6; Is. 5:13-14).
3. Through sexual sins, i.e., adultery, fornication, incest, homosexuality, rape, masturbation, lesbianism, and bestiality; all of these open doors for water spirit demonization
4. Through involvement in feasts, festivals, rituals and satanic initiations many of which are done in ignorance in the name of culture or tradition, i.e., the place in Africa where they have a tradition of dropping newborn babies into the water and picking them up in seven days
5. Through names given to individuals
6. Through marriage to those who are already infested or initiated
7. For pregnant women who are asked to go and have a bath in the sea and drop things into the water, they have unwittingly initiated that baby in the womb.
8. For women who need the fruit of the womb and they are asked to bath in the river, the child they will conceive has been dedicated and initiated from the womb.
9. Some “pastors” seeking satanic power visit the seashore, are asked to make certain incantations, and thereafter are “admitted” into the water spirit world through an opening into the water. Thereafter, they manifest “power” and “wealth,” but they are not from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
10. Some get infested with water spirits by reason of artifacts they buy and decorate their homes with or dedicated clothes and jewelry they adorn their bodies with; pictures and or paintings of mermaid (the head of a woman with the tail of a fish) these constitute an altar of water spirits and do contaminate.
11. Dropping sacrifices into farmland, ponds, rivers, streams, lakes, oceans or placing them by the side of any of these bodies of water results in invitation
12. Tossing coins into water bodies and making a wish with such actions result in infestation with water spirits because this is indirectly invoking them to work for the person
13. Through divination and enchantments released on the undiscerning
14. Through eating food cooked by people possessed by water spirits of course without giving thanks to sanctify the food, e.g., an evangelist who used to be a high-level occultist claimed in his testimony he got initiated into witchcraft through fried bean-balls
15. Through naming streets and towns after water spirits, i.e., dedicating such places to these spirits, e.g., Popo Yemoja in Ibadan, Nigeria, meaning Water Spirit Street
16. Through sexual involvement with those who are “carriers” of water spirits
17. Through visiting herbalists for power or protection
18. Through visiting marine spirit priests out of curiosity or just being adventurous
This list is not comprehensive, as the devil is subtle in the way he deceives people and gets them initiated into his kingdom.
WHY PEOPLE GET INITIATED

People have a myriad of reasons for entering into covenant with spirits. A few of such reasons include:
1. Desire for power to rule
2. To possess magical powers
3. To get healed of sicknesses and afflictions
4. To have children when this had been difficult or impossible
5. To gain wealth and riches
6. To exercise powers of witchcraft
7. To ensure safe voyage on the seas
8. To ensure a good catch of fish, lobsters and other edible sea animals
9. To get rain and a good harvest in agriculture
10. To have access to supernatural power
11. In order to establish thrones and stools and acquire power to win battles and wars
12. To serve for themselves protection from affliction, danger and death
13. To get “delivered” from demonic oppression
14. In order to succeed in their endeavors
People who get initiated for these reasons lack understanding, and it is only a relationship with Jesus Christ that can set them free.

 

[holythemholyme]

Perhaps the Christians who do not do warfare over the water isn't out of fear, but rather out of the knowledge it's just water.

I wish it was just water but with deeper research we know that is not that and satan has part of his kingdom in there too. Most of the world is composed of water yet people dont want to believe or even bother researching anything about real testimonies of entire cities seen down there with occult power. Time to open our eyes and help god do his job.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

At no place in scripture does Yeshua or His disciples give us examples of exercising spirits. I understand your concern being as that is what is concentrated on in the area that you come from. However, as believers in Yeshua we need not concern ourselves with things that have no power over us. Many believers already are too concerned with so many things outside of the one true GOD, they certainly do not need another. Scripture tells us to "keep our minds stayed on Him". That leaves no room for thinking about spirits that are not Him, and don't have the same power as Him, and they have no power over us save what we have given them. Spend that time in HIS presence and you will be more like the ONE He intends you to be (demons ran from Yeshua without Him saying a word) like instead of worrying and fretting over what the spirit in the water might do if you do not exercise them.

Note: When Yeshua encountered demons/evil spirits during His day, He got rid of them. He did not spend His days looking for them in bushes, or the sea or anywhere.

 

[tturt]

holythemholyme - With this type of topic, I wouldn't be surprised if you find a lot of opposition on these particular forums. And I understand because several years ago I had never heard of it, hadn't studied the topic, etc. John Eckhardt was the first speaker we heard on this and he has done lots of Biblical research on water spirits. Yes just like there are territorial spirits over the land, there are water spirits. Thanks for the resource. Also, based on your posts it seems you too believe that it's so important for us to only do what Yahweh prompts us to do in these areas.

 

[talitha]

holythemholyme - I just recently found out about this.. I have a Ghanian friend who was brought up around people familiar with this stuff. I think many North Americans are just not exposed to it; spiritual warfare is more - um - obvious in other places.

SpiritPsalmist, I am surprised by your post. Of course there are examples of Jesus exorcising (casting out) evil spirits and instructing his followers to do the same. Hmm, you say as much in your post-script. Now I'm confused....

blessings
tal

 

[talitha]

Hey, I have a personal question - why do you have a nonChristian faith icon?

 

[HealedWings]

I find this very interesting. Speaking as one having to struggle for many years with demonic oppression, I do not have the luxury to ignore such vital information, especially as the Lord himself has told us in his word that, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

holythemholyme - I just recently found out about this.. I have a Ghanian friend who was brought up around people familiar with this stuff. I think many North Americans are just not exposed to it; spiritual warfare is more - um - obvious in other places.

SpiritPsalmist, I am surprised by your post. Of course there are examples of Jesus exorcising (casting out) evil spirits and instructing his followers to do the same. Hmm, you say as much in your post-script. Now I'm confused....

blessings
tal

I'm quite familiar with spiritual warfare. I grew up around it. Like I said though in my note, when Yeshua encountered demons (He did not go looking for them but came upon them in His daily walks) He cast them out. There is no such example as the op gave of exercising spirits. Yeshua did not go to body's of water and routinely exercise spirits. And He did not teach His disciples to do it that way either. Yeshua did not return to the same spot where He encountered demons and re-exercise them over and over and over and over again. Once He said "gone" they were gone....and He taught His followers the same.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I find this very interesting. Speaking as one having to struggle for many years with demonic oppression, I do not have the luxury to ignore such vital information, especially as the Lord himself has told us in his word that, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."

The right key is getting the right knowledge on the right Person. I use to be demonically oppressed. Then one day it hit me that I had Yeshua on my side. Greater is HE who is in me than he who is in the world. Knowledge about demons and their ways is useless and only keeps the concentration on them. Anything that distracts us from the redeemer should be cast away. I know of no scripture that tells us to get all the knowledge we can of our accuser. I do know a scripture though that says, "He will keep in perfect peace those whose minds are stayed on HIM." Evil spirits are not worth my time. If they happen to get in my way I tell them where to go. Other than that they don't get my time or my energy or my thoughts.

 

[whatfor]

I'm quite familiar with spiritual warfare. I grew up around it. Like I said though in my note, when Yeshua encountered demons (He did not go looking for them but came upon them in His daily walks) He cast them out. There is no such example as the op gave of exercising spirits. Yeshua did not go to body's of water and routinely exercise spirits. And He did not teach His disciples to do it that way either. Yeshua did not return to the same spot where He encountered demons and re-exercise them over and over and over and over again. Once He said "gone" they were gone....and He taught His followers the same.

He did not have to return to people and re-heal them after they lost their healing either, but that seems to happen a lot from what I have seen.
He is God we are not.
Sorry I am off topic but this is something that really bothers me.

 

[K2K]

I wish it was just water but with deeper research we know that is not that and satan has part of his kingdom in there too. Most of the world is composed of water yet people dont want to believe or even bother researching anything about real testimonies of entire cities seen down there with occult power. Time to open our eyes and help god do his job.

There are many spiritual beings, but there is only One Creator. As Christians we are seeking out the One. The Lord of lords. Since He is the creator, He is not the created. Since He is the created, He has control of His creation. God is omni-present.

So while He has given some authority and power to created beings, all is still controled by Him. So we seek Him. To find Him we don't need to do deeper research, we just need to seek Him.

Now as Christians we seek Him as written in the Scriptures. And the what we find is that the Scriptures are right. That is to say we find Him our Lord just as it is written. We hear His voice, and we get to know Him. His sheep hear His voice, just as it is written.

We also become aware of other spirits, both good and evil. That is to say that there are spirits (angels) that serve Him and worship our Lord just like we do. Have you not heard them sing praises to our Lord? And there are spirits (demons) that have choosen to rebell against Him and so do not seek Him and His instructions, just like there are people tht do not seek Him and His instructions and counsel.

The rebelion was started by a spirit we now call Satan, but all those that followed in the rebellion Satan started were thrown to earth, and thus there are power and principalities (demons/gods) that are not following the one true God. Yet none of them are omni-present, and none of them have power or authority that was not given to them by God. And there is not one of them whose power and authority can not be instantly removed by God is He so desired.

When the word is given by God, another angel will just pick up Satan and throw him into the lake of fire. So while I may battle with powers and principalities, it is not really my battle, but rather the battle is the Lords. My real battle is just remembering to turn to the Lord and seek Him.

So why does He allow all this battling with spirits?

He is raising up children, and we need to grow and we need to learn. So the battle we His children have is more like pressing wieghts in order to get stronger. It is more like taking tests to get wiser. God told Satan that he could do anything he wanted with Job, but he couldn't kill him. So while Satan would have liked to have been able to kill Job, Satan simply couldn't do it because he did not have the power or authority to do it, because God didn't give it to him.

If you are worrying about water spirits, then you are not seeking the Lord! If some spirit (any spirit) is bothering you, seek the Lord and has Him what to do. Perhaps you will be told to send it back to the abyss in the name of the Lord, and that is where the spirit will go because the He the Lord of lords gave authority for that to happen through you. Yet perhaps He will just tell you to resist that spirit, and the spirit will ultimately flee because it is written resist the devil and he will flee. Yet perhaps the Lord will tell you to not worry about it and leave the thorn in your side because His grace is enough for you.

So we take all thoughts captive to Jesus Christ our Lord; that is to say we take all things to the Lord in prayer (a conversation with God).

So what of someone that says that we need to worry about water spirits, and we need to do research on them. Does that sound like they are taking all things to God in prayer and listening to what He has to say?

When the Lord of lords tells me to do research on spirits, I do so and listen to what He the Teacher has to say to me. Yet I don't worry about them. Why should I? I know God!

And when I give advice to people, the advice I give is to seek the Lord. He alone is God. He is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, and His name is called The Word of God because He will talk to us in words that we can hear and understand. And when He sends me to give that message He tells me to say I Am sent me, because He is there for you at all times.

Yet who will listen to the message. Who will seek the voice of the Lord their creator?

We run after men, we run after spirits, and we worry about so many things that we forget to just ask the Great I Am and listen to what He says, like it is written in the Scriptures.

So if you have ears to hear, hear what the Spirit of God has to say.

We all have fleshy ears so we all have spiritual ears, so the problem is that we are just not willing to seek the Lord for what He has to say.

 

[tturt]

whatfor - I've wondered if it's because they're not taught how to keep their healing, deliverance, etc.?

Guess I don't see where anyone is saying worry about water spirits or research has to be done nor encouraging anyone to run after men or spirits. Perhaps I don't understand. ?? So if God said to you research this topic it would be done; however, since this thread exist then others aren't asking and listening to what God has to say? Isn't the general idea in most of these threads is to communicate with Yahweh and to follow The Holy Spirit's promptings? Does it need to be stated on each thread or a lot more often? If someone has done Biblical research on this topic, isn't that seeking what The Lord has had to say about it?

 

[K2K]

whatfor - I've wondered if it's because they're not taught how to keep their healing, deliverance, etc.?

Guess I don't see where anyone is saying worry about water spirits or research has to be done nor encouraging anyone to run after men or spirits. Perhaps I don't understand. ?? So if God said to you research this topic it would be done; however, since this thread exist then others aren't asking and listening to what God has to say? Isn't the general idea in most of these threads is to communicate with Yahweh and to follow The Holy Spirit's promptings? Does it need to be stated on each thread or a lot more often? If someone has done Biblical research on this topic, isn't that seeking what The Lord has had to say about it?

If someone is doing Biblical research on a topic because the Lord told them, then that is seeking what the Lord has to say about it, but if we start saying that Christian ignore a spiritual warefare or are fearful of it and we all need to research a topic, that may or may not be true.

I have seen where Christians start trying to live by spiritual principles instead of living by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. So I liked the testimony and the information but I don't think Christians necessarily ignore or are fearful of spiritual warfare as written in the thread.

I guess I like the way SpiritPsalmist put it, "Anything that distracts us from the redeemer should be cast away. I know of no scripture that tells us to get all the knowledge we can of our accuser".

 

[Tobias]

I am of the opinion that there are spirits over bodies of water, and in the trees and animals, which are not "evil" nor "good", but just are. Our cats and dogs are not born inherently good or evil, nor do they try to control the spiritual aspects of our lives.

If however, we were to start thinking our cats are mystical, and assign them a position of lordship over our lives, then most likely a familiar spirit would take over and start to guide us through our cat's life.

Much the same applies (IMO) to this issue of water spirits. Water is just water. Spirits that hang out and oversee the conditions of a lake or stream simply do so as a part of nature. Their standing before God is none of our business. Hunting them down and casting them out is not something God has commissioned us to do!

Spirits that associate with water, but involve themselves in human affairs, now that is a whole 'nother problem! These would be in the category of gods and goddesses, who we are not to have before God. There were times in the Bible where we see God sending someone (like Gideon) to pull down the altar of Baal. As we don't usually deal with this kind of spirit here in America, I can't really say what He might ask someone to do to oppose these spirits.



I did however work on building the new skate park at Venice Beach, CA and can't hardly attest to the presence of "water spirits" at that location. The place may have once been a mecca of occult activity, but mostly all I noticed being there was a spirit of blight and despair.

 

[K2K]

There is the question of whether dogs, cats, and other animals have a spiritual body. I have heard opinions from people on both sides. That doesn't really bother me much, but if we have a spiritual being I believe that they can be either rebelious or not rebelious to God. That is what good and evil comes down to.

Because of Adam and Eve we have rebellion in us. This is why the Lord went to the cross, so that we might have forgiveness for our rebellious acts 9[sin], and as long as we haved this flesh we struggle with rebellion [sin].

Now concerning spirits, there wre those that are not rebellious. When the Lord asks them to do something, they willingly try to do it. And then there are spirits that are rebellious, and so they are not willing to do what the Lord asks them to do. So if dogs and cats have a spiritual body, they would still fall under one of those two condition. They would either willingly respond to the Lord's instructions or they wouldn't.

Now He is still God and made of the visible and invisible, and he still has the power and authority to do what he wants. So even a rebelious can be forced to comply and can be limited by God. Satan could not kill Job, because God did not give him authority to do so, and Legion still had to leave the man and went into the pigs because of the Word of God. Yet Satan would have probably killed Job if allowed and the demons didn't want to leave and obey the Lord but were not given a choice.

So it is not whether a person does what God says but rather a matter of the heart where rebellion is found. A being that wants to serve the Lord will seek the Lord because of that desire, and a being the doesn't want to serve the Lord will not seek Him and instead try to avoid Him. Unbelievers are rebellious because unbelief is a clear sign that they don't seek Him. Therefore the involvement of spirits in human affairs in meaningless when we take about rebellion, but only seeking the Lord is important.

Do animals seek the Lord? Well, I'm not willing to get into that topic with people of various opinions. I'd just say, 'Ask the Lord'. Do all spirits seek the Lord. Clearly that is not the case. Some have shown themselves to be rebellious. Do all people seek the Lord? Again that is clearly not the case.

So are we supposed to go out to fight against those spirits that are not seeking the Lord. Unless the Lord tells us to, then I don't think so. That doesn't mean that they won't come to fight against us, so we have a battle with powers and principalities, but it is not the battle we seek but rather the Lord.

So if we are after the Lord and not the battle but still have a battle because others are seeking it, then what is the best way to fight it?

I was talking to the Lord on this thread and He told me, "Karl I have an excellent prayer for spiritual warfare! Perhaps you have heard it before? It goes like this "Our Father in heaven, Hollowed be thy name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done.... lead us not inot temptation, but deliver us from the evil one..."

I had never actually thought of the Lord's prayer as warfare prayer, but I'm learning. The point He made to me was that it is not by our works and efforts that we are delivered, but because we ask the Father that we are delivered. We do have a battle, but it is not us that obtains the victory but rather the victory belongs to the Lord.

So unless the Lord tells us to do warfare against water spirits, we don't seek that battle. In the original testimony it appears that the man may have been asked by the Lord to do such a battle in His name. I don't have a problem with that. Yet we also see a judgment as to other Christians not being concerned about do it. Why should they be? Did the Lord ask them to do it?

I have been woken up in the middle of the night by the Lord to be used by the Lord in spiritual warfare, and He had me serving in intercession prayer for a season where we often did spiritual warfare at the Lord's leading, but that doesn't mean I expect all Christians to do so. I expect that they should seek the Lord for their instructions. Yet then again I still have a battle with rebellion in me, so I also understand when others don't seek Him. If they believe they will turn back to Him at some point.

Oh - one last point. If the Lord has given you an assignment - like say you are supposed to build a new skate park - and spirits are getting in you way and causing trouble, then we have authority from God to have them removed. Along with our assignments from the Lord [and God puts everyone in the position they are in] comes the power and authority to do the job asked of us. So if Blight and Despair (two demonic spirits) are in the way of making a fun and enjoyable skate park, tell them to leave. God does not want skate parks with those spirits hanging around. They might cause injuries, so they need to go elsewhere. It's not personal, its just what has to happen for the new stake park to be what it is supposed to be, and the people building the park have the responsiblity [from God] to make sure it is safe for the users.

 

[Tobias]

Well, it was just a job I was getting paid to do. Not that my part was all that significant! We ran the power to it from the nearest building up the beach. After putting in a decent sized sub-panel at the park, all they had us run out of it was six recepticals. Not even a single light for the skate park!

If Venice Beach was once a popular place for occult activity, it isn't anymore. Not that I could see. I think it used to be known for the weird and abnormal, and whoever wrote the book we're discussing must have put that together with it's proximity to water, and listed it as an example.

 

[holythemholyme]

holythemholyme - With this type of topic, I wouldn't be surprised if you find a lot of opposition on these particular forums. And I understand because several years ago I had never heard of it, hadn't studied the topic, etc. John Eckhardt was the first speaker we heard on this and he has done lots of Biblical research on water spirits. Yes just like there are territorial spirits over the land, there are water spirits. Thanks for the resource. Also, based on your posts it seems you too believe that it's so important for us to only do what Yahweh prompts us to do in these areas.

I do not mind opposition or different opinions it's just the profound close mindedness that is upsetting and weird considering we all know we have an enemy and that his works are not of an idle nature. Let me clarify this, I do not go around chasing spirits and neither should anyone without the proper guidance from god. I was guided by him in a special day 9/11 by dreams and the circunstances to pray over things and spirits coming through the water to the city of Miami, Florida which needs a lot of help since this place is in DEEP trouble. I was going to the beach either way so why not use my god given abilities by saying some simple prayers and no I do not have spirits harassing me or anything like some posters are implying here , Im just doing my job because im supposed to.

God and spiritual warfare go hand in hand working against the common enemy. I have seen things in a third world country from the devil that in no way manifest in a place such as the U.S as their works become more secretive and sneaky but is definitely out there. Every moment should be lived as if god is watching you because he is and he wants you to do your job too.

 

[tturt]

I understand you being upset but I've found that's life on the forums. Sometimes topics cause me to search The Scriptures, I change my mind about some things (not foundational type beliefs), and strengthens how I believe about others. That Scripture about working out your salvation with fear and trembling comes to mind. Just remember to asks Yahweh to keep you covered.