Watchtower and 1918 Predictions

[eksesar]

It's Very rare source which is Watchtower ever said 1918 Prophecies.
Very Old Document in Scan File.

1918

​

and this one

Watchtower Society used to teach that “the time of the end” began in the year 1799 (rather than 1914), the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 were applied to that lengthy period: “1260 years from A.D. 539 to 1799” (1917 book The Finished Mystery page 173).

​

 

[eksesar]

It's Very rare source which is Watchtower ever said 1918 Prophecies.
Very Old Document in Scan File.

1918​

and this one


Watchtower Society used to teach that “the time of the end” began in the year 1799 (rather than 1914), the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 were applied to that lengthy period: “1260 years from A.D. 539 to 1799” (1917 book The Finished Mystery page 173).


​

Hello TB,

Here is the proof that I can spotted the prophets in DEUT 18:18-22.

Bring Forth GOD and never happenned.

I am not seeing you will reply this.

Has Watchtower ever said that the world would end ? YES



Eksesar

 

[eksesar]

Hi TB
it's the proof that Watchtower ever predicted The end of The world.
(DEU 18:18-22)

 

[The Gregorian]

uuuhhhh I dunno what you mean by "bring forth god and never happened"... but... eherm...


The 1914 date is something I've seen explained... but I don't really remember very well... comes from an old prophesy about 'a time, times, and a half a time' after a certain event... and when they use that formula it comes out to 1914... not 1918. True, the WTBS did the math and assumed the date would be very significant... even said that it could possibly be when Armageddon would come (a very WRONG thing to assume since the bible specifically says that no one knows the day or hour, not even Jesus, but only the Father... so to assume a human could figure out the date is wrong to even attempt). Ironically, plagues hit that year, strong earthquakes became much more frequent.... oh... and the biggest war in history started, a war that engulfed the entire world and lasted from 1914 until 1946 (we seperate them into WWI and II... but most of the world recognizes WWII as a continuation of the war which had already been going on for decades)... this, led to the collapse of russia's government, the rise of communism, and the US turning on russia by arming Iraq, among other middle eastern countries, then turning on those countries to enter the war we're still fighting (therefore we're still fighting a continuation of the war started in the year 1914).


However... this is all interpretations of a prophacy... we won't know if we understand it right until it's completely fulfilled.

 

[buddy mack]

It's Very rare source which is Watchtower ever said 1918 Prophecies.
Very Old Document in Scan File.

1918​

and this one


Watchtower Society used to teach that “the time of the end” began in the year 1799 (rather than 1914), the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 were applied to that lengthy period: “1260 years from A.D. 539 to 1799” (1917 book The Finished Mystery page 173).


​

Wasn't Jim Morrison a JW, and didn't he wirht a song for the Jw too.

 

[eksesar]

uuuhhhh I dunno what you mean by "bring forth god and never happened"... but... eherm...

The 1914 date is something I've seen explained... but I don't really remember very well... comes from an old prophesy about 'a time, times, and a half a time' after a certain event... and when they use that formula it comes out to 1914... not 1918. True, the WTBS did the math and assumed the date would be very significant... even said that it could possibly be when Armageddon would come (a very WRONG thing to assume since the bible specifically says that no one knows the day or hour, not even Jesus, but only the Father... so to assume a human could figure out the date is wrong to even attempt). Ironically, plagues hit that year, strong earthquakes became much more frequent.... oh... and the biggest war in history started, a war that engulfed the entire world and lasted from 1914 until 1946 (we seperate them into WWI and II... but most of the world recognizes WWII as a continuation of the war which had already been going on for decades)... this, led to the collapse of russia's government, the rise of communism, and the US turning on russia by arming Iraq, among other middle eastern countries, then turning on those countries to enter the war we're still fighting (therefore we're still fighting a continuation of the war started in the year 1914).


However... this is all interpretations of a prophacy... we won't know if we understand it right until it's completely fulfilled.

It was a very serious step to add this expression, "the Creator’s promise," since it meant that the Watchtower Society (the magazine’s publisher) was now prophesying in the Creator’s name—in God’s name. The Creator warns in the Bible against doing this without receiving a command from Him to do so:

But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.—Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV





​

Did the Creator really command the Society to say that He promised the new order would come "within our generation"?

Elsewhere, the Society specified more precisely what it meant by "our generation":

"Jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the ‘last days’ began.… Even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of ‘this generation’ nearly 70 years old today.… Jesus said that the end of this wicked world would come before that generation passed away in death."

—Awake! October 8, 1968, pages 13-14

In 1982 the Watchtower Society changed the prophecy on page 2 of each Awake! issue to include the same thought about 1914. It was no longer a vague "our generation" that would see the world’s end, but the generation that saw the events of 1914: "…the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new order before the generation that saw the events of 1914 C.E. passes away." (January 8, 1982)
Nearly identical wording repeated the same prophecy in each issue until January 8, 1987, when Awake! magazine’s statement of purpose was moved to page 4 in a redesigned format. Starting with that issue, the 1914 generation prophecy was dropped entirely.

Then it was restored on page 4 of the March 8, 1988 issue—"…the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away"—wording that continued to appear through October, 1995.

By then, however, the generation that saw the events of 1914 had largely passed away. All that remained were a relatively few surviving individuals in their late 90’s—people nearly a hundred years old. Obviously, the prophecy had failed.

Continuing to print it as spiritual food for Jehovah’s Witnesses was like serving meat or milk long after the "sell before" date stamped on the package. Like spoiled food, the expired prophecy began to stink. JW leaders in Brooklyn finally replaced it in the November 8, 1995 Awake! by returning to language similar to that used prior to 1964. Awake! now declares "…the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things."

A False Prophet?​

Was the recently abandoned teaching about the 1914 generation really a false prophecy spoken by a false prophet? Or was it merely an instance of faithful Christians manifesting eagerness for Christ’s return? Deuteronomy 18:20-22, quoted earlier, supplies the basis for determining the answer. It states that its words of condemnation apply when what a "prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true."

Obviously, the prediction did not come true, and so the Watchtower Society has now stopped making that prediction.

Was the prediction spoken "in the name of the LORD"? Yes, because it was introduced as "the Creator’s promise." The Watchtower has said else where:


Those who are convinced that The Watchtower is publishing the opinion or expression of a man should not waste time in looking at it at all... Those who believe that God uses The Watchtower as a means of communicating to his people, or of calling attention to his prophecies, should study The Watchtower..." —The Watchtower January 1, 1942, page 5

More recently, the Watchtower Society has tried to escape the "false prophet" label by saying Jehovah’s Witnesses have not made prophecies in God’s name. "Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’" (Awake! March 22, 1993, p. 4) But the Watchtower Society actually did describe its prediction that the 1914 generation would live to see ‘the end’ as Jehovah’s prophetic word through Jesus Christ.

"Jehovah’s prophetic word through Jesus Christ is: ‘This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.’ (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment…

​

​

​

…

"Just as Jesus’ prophecies regarding Jerusalem were fulfilled within the life span of the generation of the year 33 C.E., so his prophecies regarding ‘the time of the end’ will be fulfilled within the life span of the generation of 1914. …

"…Yes, you may live to see this promised New Order, along with survivors of the generation of 1914—the generation that will not pass away."



​

—The Watchtower May 15, 1984, pages 6-7 (The bracketed expression "[of 1914]" is in the original.)

 

[eksesar]

uuuhhhh I dunno what you mean by "bring forth god and never happened"... but... eherm...


The 1914 date is something I've seen explained... but I don't really remember very well... comes from an old prophesy about 'a time, times, and a half a time' after a certain event... and when they use that formula it comes out to 1914... not 1918. True, the WTBS did the math and assumed the date would be very significant... even said that it could possibly be when Armageddon would come (a very WRONG thing to assume since the bible specifically says that no one knows the day or hour, not even Jesus, but only the Father... so to assume a human could figure out the date is wrong to even attempt). Ironically, plagues hit that year, strong earthquakes became much more frequent.... oh... and the biggest war in history started, a war that engulfed the entire world and lasted from 1914 until 1946 (we seperate them into WWI and II... but most of the world recognizes WWII as a continuation of the war which had already been going on for decades)... this, led to the collapse of russia's government, the rise of communism, and the US turning on russia by arming Iraq, among other middle eastern countries, then turning on those countries to enter the war we're still fighting (therefore we're still fighting a continuation of the war started in the year 1914).


However... this is all interpretations of a prophacy... we won't know if we understand it right until it's completely fulfilled.

When speaking about events leading up to the end of this wicked world, Jesus Christ warned that "many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:11, KJV) Did he suggest that believers should follow such false prophets, loyally sticking to them through one prophetic failure after another, in the hope that they would eventually get it right? Far from it! Rather, Jesus warned, "Take heed that no man deceive you." (Matthew 24:4 KJV)

"the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." —Awake! magazine, page 4, thru October 22, 1995​

It was a very serious step to add this expression, "the Creator’s promise," since it meant that the Watchtower Society (the magazine’s publisher) was now prophesying in the Creator’s name—in God’s name. The Creator warns in the Bible against doing this without receiving a command from Him to do so: Read DEU 18:18-22

How old are they now, I mean Generations 1914 ?

This seventh day, God’s rest day, has progressed nearly 6,000 years, and there is still the 1,000-year reign of Christ to go before its end. (Rev. 20:3, 7) This seventh 1,000-year period of human existence could well be likened to a great sabbath day. . . . In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man’s existence and also the first 6,000 years of God’s rest day come to an end? The year 1975.

—Awake! October 8, 1966, page 19

 

[The Gregorian]

It was a very serious step to add this expression, "the Creator’s promise," since it meant that the Watchtower Society (the magazine’s publisher) was now prophesying in the Creator’s name—in God’s name. The Creator warns in the Bible against doing this without receiving a command from Him to do so:

I agree. They shouldn't have made it sound like that. I believe they weren't suggesting that 'the creator promissed what this will happen when we say it will.' because that doesn't make sense... however, God DID promiss that the end would come along with all that stuff in Revelations.... I believe that's the promiss they referred to, and they were saying 1914 could be the start of it.

But I agree, I'm offended by any church who claims God speaks through them, i.e. why I could never be a catholic.

When speaking about events leading up to the end of this wicked world, Jesus Christ warned that "many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:11, KJV) Did he suggest that believers should follow such false prophets, loyally sticking to them through one prophetic failure after another, in the hope that they would eventually get it right? Far from it! Rather, Jesus warned, "Take heed that no man deceive you." (Matthew 24:4 KJV)

True... but how can you be sure they were really wrong? They said 1914 would be the start of the end of the world, and sure enough in 1914 the World War started. In WWI we crippled germany, bringing Hitler into rule, we used Russia to help defeat Hitler (crippling them in the process), bringing upon communism/the cold war. We used Iraq among many other middle eastern countries to defeat russia (crippling them in the process). Now we're using Great Britain to help defeat iraq. If this pattern holds and we fight GB, some serious stuff is going to happen, because the US and GB are the only two crazy enough to go all out, and likely use nukes.

It was a very serious step to add this expression, "the Creator’s promise," since it meant that the Watchtower Society (the magazine’s publisher) was now prophesying in the Creator’s name—in God’s name. The Creator warns in the Bible against doing this without receiving a command from Him to do so: Read DEU 18:18-22

How old are they now, I mean Generations 1914 ?

That was, IMO, wrong of them to say. Again, they took something in the bible and assumed their understanding of it was a direct mandate from God. Their presumptuousness is a major reason I am a 'christian' and not a 'JW'

...then again... if you were born in 1914, you'd be 91... and there are still quite a few people older than 91 around... and with Bush acting like such a cowboy (no offence, not trying to be political, but everyone should agree, he enjoys using as much force as possible), along with all the crazy weather (flooding, hurricanes, the huge earthquake overseas) it wouldn't surprise me if it all came to an end soon... (however, I'm certainly not going to make the assumption, as the WTBS tends to do.)

Overall, my main conflict is people pinning all the presumptuousness of the WTBS on the JW's themselves... this would be like pointing that the pope claims that God speaks directly to him and assuming that all catholics think the same... or pointing at all the corruption in the catholic church, most notibly the insane number of child molestation charges, and assuming all catholics to be child molesters. The idiocy of the governing body of a religion doesn't make the understanding of the member's of the church's beliefs wrong.

 

[eksesar]

Well, you are not a Christians and you are not a Catholics.

if you are an Atheist,You just wasting your time in this forum. I'm glad if you join in this forum jehovahs-witness.com it would be fun there : P