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1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

It would appear that all that is needed is for them to want to. However, without a desire for truth, it seems unlikely.
 
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1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

It would appear that all that is needed is for them to want to. However, without a desire for truth, it seems unlikely.
My question/point is from Adam till now?
 
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... the way back in always open?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Saul of Tarsus went in with the Lord's intervention, so I would assume it is possible. Paul's personal experience with the Lord makes me tend to think that Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the sort of blasphemy that some do even if Jesus Himself were to step down and present Himself to their faces in all His glory but they continue to say, "No, No, No, Never!!!"

And preventing others from going in is the additional cherry on the frosted cake.
 
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... the way back in always open?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
The entire chapter in Matthew 23 are the many, many woe's against those who have been given leadership roles in Israel. Jesus Christ of Nazareth heeded His warnings against the Pharisees and Scribes, because of this:

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

This is a judgment on them not the remnant who will be able to enter through the narrow gate.

Please read the entire chapter, it is quite enlightening.

Blessings
 
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Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

It may be that those in the past would not be punished after death, but would also not have eternal life.
 
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Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

It may be that those in the past would not be punished after death, but would also not have eternal life.

""for ye neither go in yourselves"

Could they (or Adam ... etc) have already entered ? ...
 
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The entire chapter in Matthew 23 are the many, many woe's against those who have been given leadership roles in Israel. Jesus Christ of Nazareth heeded His warnings against the Pharisees and Scribes, because of this:

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

This is a judgment on them not the remnant who will be able to enter through the narrow gate.

Please read the entire chapter, it is quite enlightening.

Blessings

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

It’s interesting to me that Jesus (as John mimicked in his letter) on more than one a occasion referenced who (what, where, when, and how) would teach you …
 
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... the way back in always open?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Why do you say "the way back in?" The verse doesn't say that either the scribes and Pharisees, or those who they tried to stop entering, had been in the kingdom of heaven before.
 
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Why do you say "the way back in?" The verse doesn't say that either the scribes and Pharisees, or those who they tried to stop entering, had been in the kingdom of heaven before.
A loose reference to the garden ... Jesus also stated ((loosely) if you didn't come from there you can't get there, even though this was where he was ...
 
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A loose reference to the garden ... Jesus also stated ((loosely) if you didn't come from there you can't get there, even though this was where he was ...
Thanks. I am very glad Jesus didn't say that about heaven, because although He came from heaven, none of us did.
 
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Thanks. I am very glad Jesus didn't say that about heaven, because although He came from heaven, none of us did.
Jesus said “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

And to further the issue “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” and “that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Most would say (I assume) that before the cross that one could not be born again … measure this in the light of Matthew's “for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.” ...

PS Even though Jesus thought Nicodemous should have known these things being a teacher/master in Israel ...
 
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Jesus said “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

And to further the issue “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” and “that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Most would say (I assume) that before the cross that one could not be born again … measure this in the light of Matthew's “for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.” ...

PS Even though Jesus thought Nicodemous should have known these things being a teacher/master in Israel ...
I am trying without success to link your post to what I wrote. In response to your words, " Jesus also stated ((loosely) if you didn't come from there you can't get there, even though this was where he was ..." I wrote that I am glad that Jesus didn't say, even loosely, "If you didn't come from heaven, you can't go to heaven."

Your reply about the necessity of the new birth, which I agree with, apart from what you wrote about people before the crucifixion not being born again, doesn't seem to relate to what I wrote.
 
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I am trying without success to link your post to what I wrote. In response to your words, " Jesus also stated ((loosely) if you didn't come from there you can't get there, even though this was where he was ..." I wrote that I am glad that Jesus didn't say, even loosely, "If you didn't come from heaven, you can't go to heaven."

Your reply about the necessity of the new birth, which I agree with, apart from what you wrote about people before the crucifixion not being born again, doesn't seem to relate to what I wrote.
Jesus said no man can ascend unless they have first descended … when talking to the vipers said that they could in fact enter but would not … and when talking to Nicodemus that you can’t enter unless you are born of water and spirit (being born again only (according to Jesus) affording one only to see the kingdom) … which goes back to the original question … we know already he is the door that we enter by … has the way always been open?

Those born of God know where they came from and where they are going … but no man knows this about those who are born of the spirit/God …
 
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Jesus said no man can ascend unless they have first descended … when talking to the vipers said that they could in fact enter but would not … and when talking to Nicodemus that you can’t enter unless you are born of water and spirit (being born again only (according to Jesus) affording one only to see the kingdom) … which goes back to the original question … we know already he is the door that we enter by … has the way always been open?
Where does Jesus say that? The only place in the New Testament where I could find reference to ascending and descending is:

“(Now this, “He ascended” —what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)” (Eph 4:9-10 NKJV)

But that is about Jesus Himself. It is Paul writing, not Jesus speaking.
Those born of God know where they came from and where they are going … but no man knows this about those who are born of the spirit/God …
 
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Where does Jesus say that? The only place in the New Testament where I could find reference to ascending and descending is:

“(Now this, “He ascended” —what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)” (Eph 4:9-10 NKJV)

But that is about Jesus Himself. It is Paul writing, not Jesus speaking.
Jhn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 
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... the way back in always open?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
“Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.” (Luke 11:52)

Apparently everything Jesus taught including needing to be born again to enter was knowledge available to those with the knowledge.

Jesus taught that many people wanted to learn what he taught through parables but did not see or hear it.

Jesus is identifying that part of the issue is the religious institution hoarding the knowledge and holding it back from non-elites.

The way into the kingdom of God is through Jesus. What the elites where holding back was the ability to know.
 
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“Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.” (Luke 11:52)

Apparently everything Jesus taught including needing to be born again to enter was knowledge available to those with the knowledge.

Jesus taught that many people wanted to learn what he taught through parables but did not see or hear it.

Jesus is identifying that part of the issue is the religious institution hoarding the knowledge and holding it back from non-elites.

The way into the kingdom of God is through Jesus. What the elites where holding back was the ability to know.
I agree (knowledge), though Nicodemus seemed clueless, but could they have entered at any time, from Adam til now ...
 
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I agree (knowledge), though Nicodemus seemed clueless, but could they have entered at any time, from Adam til now ...
Could have if they did what Jesus did, which didn't happen til Jesus came.
 
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... the way back in always open?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
so many questions in this ...

so one has to first lay out on the table\slab\cross what is ... so yes the way back was open before Christ blood was sprinklered on the mercy seat taking into account Enoch and Elijah ... which we know is a picture of something ... and we also know Christ came in or is the witness of God as in what God did past present future in a day ... His day ... as in all encompassing Jesus was in picture as the pattern son who came to show us the way back by being it so this is when we get to a point of what about the rest of us and by the rest of us i mean everyone for those thinking by calling themselves Christians somehow separates them into something godly apart and special to others ....

so where are those who have died in body\sin prior and after the resurrection of our brother who died in his sin having become sin ... where did he go for three days and where are the rest of the dead now ... not that time has hold over things but are the dead alive\in heaven at this moment or still separate from God by perception ...

so the question is with regard to entering ... is it open or is it closed is kind of an unanswerable question there being no scriptural answer ... or is there a place in-between those who are entering go ( before they fully enter ... like where was Jesus in mind when he rose from his grave and ascended to his\our Father ... and where is he now ...

i don't think heaven is obtainable until all flesh is dead and until then do not see it as something to be gained or something to be lost but rather something revealed in me i have no say in ...
 
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