Was There Life BEFORE Adam ?

[Eloy Craft]

This from one of the articles posted
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It could NOT have happened during or shortly after the seven-days of Genesis, else the serpent (a.k.a Satan, Lucifer) would have been responsible for Death entering the world of Adam. end quote

The angels are created when God made the heavens.
God held Satan accountable. The serpent went from being a creature 'up' in branches of a tree to 'down' on the ground crawling on his belly eating dust.

It may not say it Romans because Paul was comparing Jesus and Adam, but it is explicit in Genesis.


quote:
Several things of importance are contained in the above passages. The words “garden of God” reveals that there was vegetation on the Earth, even way back then. The word "Eden" represents a specific place on the face of the Earth. It was the same location on the face of the Earth where God later planted another garden and formed Adam and Eve. It was the location where Lucifer was, at the beginning and later when the serpent tempted the man and his wife. He was upon the “holy mountain of God” and the “sides of the north” which Biblically identify the location as where Jerusalem is now located:end quote

There is no biblical evidence to support the idea that the passages referenced is describing the future locations of the garden of Eden.

This article is loaded with logical fallacy, extreme confirmation bias.

Arguing that Lucifer/Satan isn't an Angel he say's Lucifer was a Cherub. A Cherub is an angel
There are nine jewels covering Lucifer because there are nine choirs of angels.

Gotta do a lot of scriptural gymnastics to argue that there are prehistoric ages hidden in the creation account in the text of Genesis.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Why would an omnipotent God need to rest? Why do we so often envision God in human terms?

The author anthropomorphised God. Complain to him. I think his name is Moses.

 

[JackRT]

The author anthropomorphised God. Complain to him. I think his name is Moses.

Moses?

A great many Christians are under the impression that our scriptures were written in the same order in which they now appear in the canon. These documents have been exhaustively studied by a great many biblical scholars particularly in the last two centuries. The large majority of these scholars, both conservative and liberal, now agree with what has come to be called "the documentary hypothesis" when dealing with the Torah.

In the late 1800s, a group of scholars in Germany led by Professors K. H. Graf and Julius Wellhausen began to study rigorously the details of the first five books of the Bible – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. These books, called the Torah or the Books of Moses, constitute the most sacred part of the Hebrew Scriptures and were traditionally required by the Jews to be read in their entirety on the Sabbaths of a single year in the synagogues of the Jewish world. These scholars began to apply to these texts the insights of literary criticism. The results were salutary and more than anything else opened the doors to a new academic interest in the Bible itself.

Analyzing these texts carefully, these scholars discovered that there were many observable differences that could be noted which led them to the conclusion that the Torah consisted of several strands of what had once been independent material. One strand referred to God by the name Yahweh, or at least by an unpronounceable set of consonants that were written as YHWH, and it called the holy mountain of the Jews Mt. Sinai. Another strand of material called God by the name of Elohim and it called the holy mountain Mt. Horeb. A third strand of material reflected life in the Kingdom of Judah in the seventh century. Still another strand appeared to be dated during the time of the Exile and perhaps even later. When they began to separate these strands from one another, other insights became available.

These four strands are termed, in the order mentioned above, as J or Jahwist, E or Elohist, D or Deuteronomist and P or Priestly. These four strands were cut and pasted into a new document by R or Redactor (Editor) at some point late in the Exile or shortly after. All of this leads to modern confusion because the subject matter of the different strands is frequently similar but is handled quite differently.

 

[1am3laine]

Most definitely there was life before adam. (Ezekiel 28:13-19)
It was called the world before. (2 Peter 3:6)
GOD destroyed the world before with water. That's why the Holy Spirit walked on a water chaos in (Genesis 1:2).
Adam/Eve were to "replenish" (Genesis 1:28) meaning repopulate earth as it was before when Lucifer fell and people actually saw him.

http://master-elaine.blogspot.com/2017/08/adameve.html

 

[AV1611VET]

Was there life before Adam?

Negative.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Many Christians today believe as an article of faith that the Bible teaches the earth was created 6,000 years ago. They dispute all the evidence of geology, paleontology and radiometric dating techniques. They argue that such evidence is invalid, grossly misunderstood, and misinterpreted. Some Neo-Creationists claim that all the earth's strata was due to the Noachian deluge, or the original process of Creation. They claim all Creation took place during a six day period approximately 6,000 years ago. What is the truth?

Because those that believe in a 6,000 year old earth incorrectly translate the Hebrew word "hayah" to fit their pre-conceived belief.

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1961.htm

Notice it means "to fall out, come to pass, become, be"

Notice also that in all the entire possible word listings, "was" does not exist.....

The word always denotes a change from one thing to another, never a previous condition as the English word "was" is used.

So in the second verse of the Bible we are told the Earth "became" (hayah) desolate and waste, and darkness "became" upon the face of the deep.

Couple this with the fact that tohu wa bohu is used together only in three verses in the Bible. In both other passages it points to a flourishing condition made desolate and waste.

Couple this again with the fact that the verb tense in the first verse is in the past tense. As in completed, done, finished.

Couple this again with the fact that in the oldest manuscripts there is a pause mark after verse one. This signified we were to stop, pause, and marvel at the Works of God just completed.

Taken all together it clearly points to a once flourishing earth that was made desolate and waste by some catastrophe. Hence the dinosaurs went extinct.

But people forget that the Bible was written only to concern itself with the creation of man, his fall, and need for a savior. It was not written to describe all of creation in detail. This is what the Works are for. The same Author penned them both.

There have according to the Works and taking into account the Bible was only written concerning the last creation (man) been 6 creations and five destruction's. This is why after every major mass extinction (five), all new life different than the last was brought into being, culminating with man. Some from the prior destruction's survived into the next.

But this last creation is not the end. There is still a sixth destruction and a seventh and final creation left to go. A Seventh creation in which all new lifeforms will once again be observed, such as a lion-like creature that eats straw.

The flood is not counted in this cycle of creation and destruction, because the animals that lived prior to it, were brought through it. This is why their is no sharp demarcation line as there exists after the other five destruction's in which new life was created, different from the old. This is why the destruction of life from the flood can not easily be seen, no new animals were created afterwards, but the same ones that existed previously flourished again.

The timeframe of man himself is simply confused by men who fail to take into account time dilation when "God stretched out the heavens". Even if it has been scientifically proven that time slows during acceleration, these same people that profess to follow science, refuse to apply time dilation to the age of the earth. This is why radioactive dating is flawed. If decay rates slow as velocity increases, then decay rates speed up the further one goes back in time when the velocity was less. This gives the appearance of hundreds of thousands of years to the age of man, because they use the slower decay rate today - to calculate the same rate of decay in the past - when it was actually faster.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Why would an omnipotent God need to rest? Why do we so often envision God in human terms?

He didn't. He rested to set an example for us. That only for 6 days were we to work, but the seventh we were to rest and fellowship with each other and the Creator. For he understood man would, If given no example, work themselves into exhaustion, or work other men to death....

We envision Him in human terms, because those are the terms we can relate to, being human....

For example - a bearded white haired man with robes sitting on a throne. I'm sure no one believes God is an old white haired man. But in Biblical times this was construed as a symbol of wisdom and dignity. The wise man was older and bearded and wore robes - a status symbol as well.

God has never ceased working, just ceased His creative acts until the seventh and final creation.... His works after were works for salvation, not creation.....

 

[Revealing Times]

He didn't. He rested to set an example for us. That only for 6 days were we to work, but the seventh we were to rest and fellowship with each other and the Creator. For he understood man would, If given no example, work themselves into exhaustion, or work other men to death....

We envision Him in human terms, because those are the terms we can relate to, being human....

For example - a bearded white haired man with robes sitting on a throne. I'm sure no one believes God is an old white haired man. But in Biblical times this was construed as a symbol of wisdom and dignity. The wise man was older and bearded and wore robes - a status symbol as well.

God has never ceased working, just ceased His creative acts until the seventh and final creation.... His works after were works for salvation, not creation.....

Studying the word used there it doesn't mean REST.......it means he ceased Creating. Notice the command went forth billions of years ago, but there are still suns and galaxies being created as we speak somewhere in the universe because the universe is expanding, thus he CEASED His creation command, but the creation of course came forth and is still coming forth by command. Man was created 6000 years ago, as Humans in Gods Image, thus God created for 13.7 Billion years until He created man, then He ceased his creation ideas, an we are now awaiting the New Jerusalem's creation. It will be like a new beginning so to speak.

There can be Human like animals with NO IMPARTATION of Gods spirit before man and thus they were never in Gods IMAGE were they ? God created man in His mage 6000 years ago. Thus everything fits.

 

[mark kennedy]

Studying the word used there it doesn't mean REST.......it means he ceased Creating. Notice the command went forth billions of years ago, but there are still suns and galaxies being created as we speak somewhere in the universe because the universe is expanding, thus he CEASED His creation command, but the creation of course came forth and is still coming forth by command. Man was created 6000 years ago, as Humans in Gods Image, thus God created for 13.7 Billion years until He created man, then He ceased his creation ideas, an we are now awaiting the New Jerusalem's creation. It will be like a new beginning so to speak.

There can be Human like animals with NO IMPARTATION of Gods spirit before man and thus they were never in Gods IMAGE were they ? God created man in His mage 6000 years ago. Thus everything fits.

Actually no, some things are entirely too fast and loose here. God creates the heaves and the earth billions of years ago, leaving the earth covered in water and a reducing atmosphere (hydrogen rich), with clouds so thick no light can get through. This fits the scientific and biblical record perfectly, both describe the primordial (prelife lit.)sea. God comes to earth for reasons known only to him, creates life in 6 days including the reconstruction of the earth, sea and sky. The rebellion of Satan and his angels was in heaven, at we know is it proceeded creation week. The idea that life was created previously and perished is called vatstrophism. The idea that Adam became a spiritual, created in the image of God, first man with soulless apes as his physical parents is an affront to anything scientific or biblical.

You can embrace the Darwinian tree of life and all its requisite naturalistic assumptions. You can recieve by faith the account of God creating life by divine fiat and the promise of eternal life, thus becoming a new creation. Either way is fine by me but understand, they are mutually exclusive and attempts to synthesize the two are futile in the extreme.

 

[Revealing Times]

Actually no, some things are entirely too fast and loose here. God creates the heaves and the earth billions of years ago, leaving the earth covered in water and a reducing atmosphere (hydrogen rich), with clouds so thick no light can get through. This fits the scientific and biblical record perfectly, both describe the primordial (prelife lit.)sea. God comes to earth for reasons known only to him, creates life in 6 days including the reconstruction of the earth, sea and sky. The rebellion of Satan and his angels was in heaven, at we know is it proceeded creation week. The idea that life was created previously and perished is called vatstrophism. The idea that Adam became a spiritual, created in the image of God, first man with soulless apes as his physical parents is an affront to anything scientific or biblical.

You can embrace the Darwinian tree of life and all its requisite naturalistic assumptions. You can recieve by faith the account of God creating life by divine fiat and the promise of eternal life, thus becoming a new creation. Either way is fine by me but understand, they are mutually exclusive and attempts to synthesize the two are futile in the extreme.

NO WHAT? I show exactly how God created the universe in post # 8, and I have no idea what you are speaking about via Darwinism nor Evolution. I clearly say God Created the Universe in a 13.7 billion year period, so I have no clue what your "NO" even means.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Studying the word used there it doesn't mean REST.......it means he ceased Creating. Notice the command went forth billions of years ago, but there are still suns and galaxies being created as we speak somewhere in the universe because the universe is expanding, thus he CEASED His creation command, but the creation of course came forth and is still coming forth by command. Man was created 6000 years ago, as Humans in Gods Image, thus God created for 13.7 Billion years until He created man, then He ceased his creation ideas, an we are now awaiting the New Jerusalem's creation. It will be like a new beginning so to speak.

There can be Human like animals with NO IMPARTATION of Gods spirit before man and thus they were never in Gods IMAGE were they ? God created man in His mage 6000 years ago. Thus everything fits.

Ahhh, but that 13 billion years is based upon the Hubble Law. But, if it is actual expansion of space causing redshift, and not the recessional velocity of galaxies (which would put some at 99.9% of c under that assumption), then the actual age would be unknown. But this age also ignores time dilation.

EDIT: But the new stars now being formed do not take the direct intervention of God because they are formed from pre-existing matter. The first stars and planets and the matter itself required His direct act as no matter existed at the beginning to shape itself under the laws He set forth.

The question is what is the image we were made in? The Bible clearly states that nephesh, that some translate as soul, was also imparted to the animals. A more correct translation would be lifeforce or living being.

One can not claim man was created a living soul and animals were not, when the same word is applied to both. So this image must be something different.

So we must search for what exactly makes us like unto God, and the Bible answers.

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

I assert the original image was knowledge of good only. But it is knowledge/thought/mind that makes us into the image of God. It is this, and this alone that separates us from the animals that went before and that were created with us.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

NO WHAT? I show exactly how God created the universe in posy # 8, and I have no idea what you are speaking about via Darwinism nor Evolution. I clearly say God Created the Universe of a 13.7 billion year period, so I have no clue what you NO even means.

They are just confused. They think that since you propose God created life before man, that you implied man arose from apes. When such was never implied.

 

[mark kennedy]

NO WHAT? I show exactly how God created the universe in posy # 8, and I have no idea what you are speaking about via Darwinism nor Evolution. I clearly say God Created the Universe of a 13.7 billion year period, so I have no clue what you NO even means.

God created all living things, plants animals birds during creation week. It sounded like you were saying some soulless ape gave birth to Adam and God made him the first to be, in the image of God.

 

[mark kennedy]

Ahhh, but that 13 billion years is based upon the Hubble Law. But, if it is actual expansion of space causing redshift, and not the recessional velocity of galaxies (which would put some at 99.9% of c under that assumption), then the actual age would be unknown. But this age also ignores time dilation.

EDIT: But the new stars now being formed do not take the direct intervention of God because they are formed from pre-existing matter. The first stars and planets and the matter itself required His direct act as no matter existed at the beginning to shape itself under the laws He set forth.

The question is what is the image we were made in? The Bible clearly states that nephesh, that some translate as soul, was also imparted to the animals. A more correct translation would be lifeforce or living being.

One can not claim man was created a living soul and animals were not, when the same word is applied to both. So this image must be something different.

So we must search for what exactly makes us like unto God, and the Bible answers.

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

I assert the original image was knowledge of good only. But it is knowledge/thought/mind that makes us into the image of God. It is this, and this alone that separates us from the animals that went before and that were created with us.

The term translated soul, in the Hebrew like the Greek, simply means breath. The point at which Adam became a living soul was when he took his first breath. Now soul can also be a reference to the immortal, immaterial spirit within, its sometimes used that way. In the Genesis account it just means he started breathing.

Now begotten in someone's image is and expression lineage, a father begets a son in his own image. In Luke's genealogy it says this person begat a son through out the list, till is comes to Adam and it calls Adam the son of God. On both points the core emphasis is on the fact that Adam was created.

 

[Revealing Times]

God created all living things, plants animals birds during creation week. It sounded like you were saying some soulless ape gave birth to Adam and God made him the first to be, in the image of God.

No sir, I am speaking of the Atheists and such who quip " but man has been around for 100,000 years etc etc. Any animal created that looked like modern man would not be a Human Being without an impartation from God of God's Spirit.

In other words we were created in Gods Image when we received Gods Spirit in us and thus become immortal, the human like animal was NEVER IN Gods Image.

Now God could have taken one of those beings and placed His Spirit in him if he wanted to (God created them also) but I think God created Adam from the dust of the Ground anew, and placed His spirit in Adam and then in Eve. God also wiped out all men save Noah's descendants, there was Scriptures that talked about Giants in the land and Demons going in unto Women born of men, so we can know everything that happened before us, but we do have Gods word, out Father Adam is only roughly 6000 years old.

I figured you just misunderstood my point...

 

[Justatruthseeker]

The term translated soul, in the Hebrew like the Greek, simply means breath. The point at which Adam became a living soul was when he took his first breath. Now soul can also be a reference to the immortal, immaterial spirit within, its sometimes used that way. In the Genesis account it just means he started breathing.

Now begotten in someone's image is and expression lineage, a father begets a son in his own image. In Luke's genealogy it says this person begat a son through out the list, till is comes to Adam and it calls Adam the son of God. On both points the core emphasis is on the fact that Adam was created.

No sir, I am speaking of the Atheists and such who quip " but man has been around for 100,000 years etc etc. Any animal created that looked like modern man would not be a Human Being without an impartation from God of God's Spirit.

In other words we were created in Gods Image when we received Gods Spirit in us and thus become immortal, the human like animal was NEVER IN Gods Image.

Now God could have taken one of those beings and placed His Spirit in him if he wanted to (God created them also) but I think God created Adam from the dust of the Ground anew, and placed His spirit in Adam and then in Eve. God also wiped out all men save Noah's descendants, there was Scriptures that talked about Giants in the land and Demons going in unto Women born of men, so we can know everything that happened before us, but we do have Gods word, out Father Adam is only roughly 6000 years old.

I figured you just misunderstood my point...

We aren't immortal and never were.

We can receive the gift of immortality through faith in Christ. But we have nothing that grants us this right except through faith.

Faith is a "conscious" act....

Even Adam at the beginning was not immortal. "lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

People confuse the long life of Adam as to mean he was immortal until he sinned. Punishment had not yet been decreed.

The act of knowing is what made Adam like unto God in image "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:"

And now, being FULLY in the image of God with knowledge of good and evil, he was to be evicted from the garden "lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

Only the righteous receive the gift of eternal life. It is not something within us, but something "given" to us freely because of our conscious decision (knowledge) to put faith in His son.

Don't fall into the trap of belief that we have an immortal soul within us. The gift of immortality is something we are "given", not something we have within us except "because of" our faith, our belief, our "conscious" choice. For dust we are, and to dust we shall return. We shall be raised and transformed into an immortal being. Such transformation would not be necessary if what existed in us was immortal to begin with. The spark of consciousness will die, and that spark will then be re-inserted into a new body from the memory of God. Hence the memorial tomb, The hope that God will remember us. Because God is Mind/Thought/Energy....

 

[mark kennedy]

No sir, I am speaking of the Atheists and such who quip " but man has been around for 100,000 years etc etc. Any animal created that looked like modern man would not be a Human Being without an impartation from God of God's Spirit.

In other words we were created in Gods Image when we received Gods Spirit in us and thus become immortal, the human like animal was NEVER IN Gods Image.

Now God could have taken one of those beings and placed His Spirit in him if he wanted to (God created them also) but I think God created Adam from the dust of the Ground anew, and placed His spirit in Adam and then in Eve. God also wiped out all men save Noah's descendants, there was Scriptures that talked about Giants in the land and Demons going in unto Women born of men, so we can know everything that happened before us, but we do have Gods word, out Father Adam is only roughly 6000 years old.

I figured you just misunderstood my point...

Yea apparently I totally mistook your meaning, my apologies. I don't think man being created in God's image has much to do with immoryality, although animals do appear to be exclusively temporal. Everything in the first two chapters, at the heart of the emphasis drives home that God is Creator of life. The word for creation is sometimes used for other of Go's work. In Isaiah it's used to speak of God creating Israel.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And last, destroying Genesis 1 destroys everything from
original sin to the necessity for sacrifices in the OT, to the
need for Yeshua (Jesus) to save us. May as well discard
the whole thing.

Indeed. You may as well discard the whole thing.

Exactly why so many people feel they need to resist 21st century science. Because they don't want to discard the beliefs they hold so dear.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="pat34lee, post: 71721645, member: 292469"]Was there life before Adam?
Of course. Plants on day 3, sea creatures on day 5.
All land creatures, then Adam on day 6.

There is no gap in Genesis. It all happened in six 24 hour days.
Then God rested, to teach us to rest.

Closing the Gap

Genesis 13 undermines gap theory - creation.com

And last, destroying Genesis 1 destroys everything from
original sin to the necessity for sacrifices in the OT, to the
need for Yeshua (Jesus) to save us. May as well discard
the whole thing.[/QUOTE
Yes, good. There is another life also:
Was there life before Adam? Perhaps someone else already mentioned,
Yahweh lived before Adam.
Yahweh always existed, without beginning, without end, uncreated.
Yahweh created Adam. Yahweh created all life.
Yahweh says it was in six days He created everything,
and on the seventh day rested;
Yahweh said this is just like His instructions to Israel to
work six days, and on the seventh day rest -
Yahweh directly compares this to the week of Creation.

All those false ideas men came up with, where did they come from ?
hint: not Yahweh. Not anyone who believes and trusts Yahweh.

 

[Revealing Times]

We aren't immortal and never were.

We can receive the gift of immortality through faith in Christ. But we have nothing that grants us this right except through faith.

Faith is a "conscious" act....

We were created IMMORTAL remember Adam fell, then came death. Many think people are in hell forever, but that isn't even the point, Adam was born immortal thus mankind was created IMMORTAL, then mankind fell. Well Satan and his demon hordes were also born immortal and fell. If we gain back that which was given unto us to start with, immortality in Christ Jesus via faith, then we were Created IMMORTAL right brother ?

The difference between humans and Angels is they were created where they will live forever without sleep, but when we die in this world we will sleep even if we are in Christ until we get our glorious bodies, I think the tree of life gave us IMMORTAL BODIES. But your point is well received, some things we can'y know for certain.

Seeing as how God walked with Adam it seems to attest to man not having sin and thus death entered via sin.