Was there an empty and dark space before the creation ?

[Servant78]

Did the socalled empty and totally dark space existed before the creation of universe in Genesis 1 ?

Or was there only spiritual realm of heaven without any material of physical forms like our world ?

The Spirit of God move on the face of the water, what kind of water existed before the creation ?

 

[Tolworth John]

God created space, time, energy and matter.
He also arranged it so that, what we call laws of science, cause it all to interact in predicable ways.

Prior to creation, the Triune God existed in heaven, adifferent spiritual place.

 

[Jonaitis]

Did the socalled empty and totally dark space existed before the creation of universe in Genesis 1 ?
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Or was there only spiritual realm of heaven without physical forms like our world ?

Genesis is complicated when it comes to explaining cosmology. It is often argued that God created the whole universe ex nihilo, but this is purely philosophical and there is nothing in the text that definitely states this. It begins with earth as primordial, with conditions of being formless and empty, residing in darkness. Again, there is complications in explaining the cosmology of Genesis. If we take the account literally and scientifically, it can appear to contradict everything we currently know about the universe. Like, the Sun is pretty important (gravity, rotation, warmth, etc). How was there water, clouds and plants before the Sun existed? Sure, we can say God did this, but this further complicates our position and makes it hard for us to be taken seriously. How was there an earth before there was a galaxy for it to reside? If you think more about it, Genesis' account is very geocentric, which you can't blame the understanding of the time of its writing. They did not know there was more to the universe than earth. It is not helpful in explaining cosmology, and the fact that it focuses more on the aspect of primordial water is strikingly similar to the creation myths found in Mesopotamia, because fresh and salt water were important in Near Eastern societies, such as the Euphrates and Tigris rivers and the Arabian Sea.

So, we should not read into Genesis a literal cosmology, but rather what is being conveyed in the text.

 

[Tolworth John]

Take a look at Creation.com and there article for 11/6/22 dealing with this issue.
Did God simply shape the world like a pagan god? - creation.com

They look at what the words in Hebrew and Greek, ' in the begining ' mean literally as well as in context.

In the begining means when heaven and eath were started to be created, or in the begining before there was a heaven and earth, God.

 

[Lost4words]

Did the socalled empty and totally dark space existed before the creation of universe in Genesis 1 ?
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Or was there only spiritual realm of heaven without any material of physical forms like our world ?

I'll text God and ask Him...

 

[Petros2015]

 

[Jonaitis]

Take a look at Creation.com and there article for 11/6/22 dealing with this issue.
Did God simply shape the world like a pagan god? - creation.com

They look at what the words in Hebrew and Greek, ' in the begining ' mean literally as well as in context.

In the begining means when heaven and eath were started to be created, or in the begining before there was a heaven and earth, God.

Let me ask you this. If God is immutable (unchanging), then doesn't that the act to create imply an act of change? What influenced Him? What changed His mind? If you want to consistently hold to the immutability and impassibility of God's nature, then nothing should have changed from eternity. If you think more about this, creation is a strange phenomenon that either should not be or always has been.

 

[Tolworth John]

Let me ask you this. If God is immutable (unchanging), then doesn't that the act to create imply an act of change? What influenced Him? What changed His mind? If you want to consistently hold to the immutability and impassibility of God's nature, then nothing should have changed from eternity. If you think more about this, creation is a strange phenomenon that either should not be or always has been.

That only applies if Gods unchange ability does not allow for the complexity of his plans.

When did God plan creation?
We are not familiar with eternity so cannot say how or even whether when is an intelligent question.

 

[Jonaitis]

That only applies if Gods unchange ability does not allow for the complexity of his plans.

When did God plan creation?
We are not familiar with eternity so cannot say how or even whether when is an intelligent question.

Do you believe in divine simplicity?

 

[Tolworth John]

Do you believe in divine simplicity?

Compared to us God is not simple.

 

[Jonaitis]

Compared to us God is not simple.

So you consider God to be a composite being, whose whole is the totality of various parts? What sort of parts does He have?

 

[Tolworth John]

So you consider God to be a composite being, whose whole is the totality of various parts? What sort of parts does He have?

God is a trinity.

 

[Jonaitis]

God is a trinity.

How do you understand the Trinity in your own words, friend?

 

[Tolworth John]

How do you understand the Trinity in your own words, friend?

the finete to explain the infinite !

God the Father, who is not the Son or the Spirit.
God the Son, who is not the Father or the Spirit.
God the Spirit, who is not the Father or the Son.
Yet these three are also united as One.

 

[Davy]

Did the socalled empty and totally dark space existed before the creation of universe in Genesis 1 ?
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Or was there only spiritual realm of heaven without any material of physical forms like our world ?

The Spirit of God move on the face of the water, what kind of water existed before the creation ?

This is controversial for many who don't understand it, but the Genesis 1:1 declaration in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, THAT is about a PREVIOUS PERFECT creation.

The Genesis 1:2 verse is actually describing the already created earth in a flooded ruined state. The Hebrew for "without form, and void" actually means 'a waste and an undistinguishable ruin' (tohu va bohu). It is further described in the Jeremiah 4:23-28 Scripture.

In Romans 8:18-25, Apostle Paul reveals that today's creation is in a state of vanity, in bondage to corruption, and that it along with us seeks a release from bondage, waiting for the future manifestation of the sons of God.

So one must think about that for a while, because Paul shows God placed today's creation in that state of bondage to corruption. Why? Well what happened when Satan first rebelled against God in that old world by coveting God's throne?

By the time of Adam and Eve in God's Garden, we see "that old serpent" (Satan) already established in his role as deceiver and tempter, which shows he had already rebelled against God. But in Ezekiel 28, we are shown (via parable) that God originally created Satan perfect in his ways, until iniquity was found in him. Satan originally served God right at His Altar, as a covering cherub to guard God's throne.

Thus there was... a previous world earth age PRIOR to this one we are in today, which is preserved unto fire when Jesus returns. This is what Apostle Peter was actually covering in 2 Peter 3 about the 3 world ages.

 

[BravoM]

There was nothing.
You can try to comprehend that all you want but human minds cannot.
A void is nothing

 

[ViaCrucis]

Did the socalled empty and totally dark space existed before the creation of universe in Genesis 1 ?
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Or was there only spiritual realm of heaven without any material of physical forms like our world ?

The Spirit of God move on the face of the water, what kind of water existed before the creation ?

A literal reading of Genesis presents us with a material world that is disordered, the earth as a "formless waste" with the primordial ocean. Which is why the first creation story does not present a strictly ex nihilo creation, but God taking and giving shape and order to the material world.

Note, I'm not saying creation isn't ex nihilo, only that Genesis 1, if read literally, doesn't give us a creation ex nihilo. But Genesis 1 probably shouldn't be read too literally.

-CryptoLutheran