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Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

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Yes, it can mean that too. I believe it was a curse in the natural for the dragon to become a snake and in the spiritual, then it can mean that, but the normal animals were also cursed. First they only ate herbs, then each other and cattle is not about demons.
I heard that too, that it were spirits of the nephilim, but also that there are spirits from the preAdamic world.
Enmity between her seed and thy seed: Jesus and the antichrist.
Satan just talked to Jesus, the demons in the man of the Garadenes needed a body and spoke using the mouth of the posessed man and wanted to go into the swine, disembodied spirits. That's why I think the one that used a snake to talk was a demon.
 
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Yeah, thanks. I think you covered it pretty well.
 
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from the "mankind" created on the "sixth day".
 
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Hi YeShallTread
The sexual union between Satan & Eve seems a very interesting & feasible take on the story of Adam & Eve. I'd like to look at this in more detail.
hi Spaceman
I examined the theory myself to see if there might be something to it.. but this scripture pretty much puts it to death
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Eve scripturally conceived Cain via Adam.

Another problem is the scripture in which Eve convinces Adam to also eat of the fruit......... So if the serpent seed theory were accurate, then Adam also had sex with satan ... .... I don't see it and Holy Spirit doesn't bear witness to it for me
 
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Men are not made of blood...we are made of dirt/earth/clay. So, all nations are of blood which has nothing in any way to do with all folks coming from one man.



Sin was not imputed until the law. The law was given to Adam (don't mess with that tree!). He broke it and so...through one man sin entered.


Is it written that there was "no man" or..."no man to till the ground?" Men were already here (see this with your spiritual eyes Messy) but there was no man to till the ground. What does that mean to you?

Consider that this man, this specific man, was formed to plant the seeds of God's word in the field...to till, so God could harvest.
Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Seed is the Word and seed is offspring.
 
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Here's my take on the nephilim for those wondering of their origination & role today..
Some of the watcher angels who were set in place to guard humans decided they wanted to experience sex and so they took women. It's not a big thing to realize angels can transform to flesh & blood since they did so in the bible plenty times including the time 3 of them went to warn Lot in Sodom and the townspeople wanted to have sex with them.. the angels were obviously very real and had flesh.

We cannot discount the book of ENOCH. The book of ENOCH is mentioned in the bible and history dictates that the book of ENOCH was well known by the Jewish people in the New Testament. It is obviously not "scripture" but if scripture refers to it a few times, then it obviously has value. Here is a link to an online version of the book of ENOCH: Book of Enoch | Read online or download the Book of Enoch PDF, EPUB or .MOBI (Kindle)

During the time of Enoch's father, Jared, a group of angels, known as the Watchers, looked from heaven and saw that the daughters of mortal men to be beautiful and they desired to sleep with them. They consulted with Semjaza, but he refuse to lead them unless they all make a pact that each one was responsible for this act. They agreed and swore oaths that they will mate with mortal women.
Two hundred angels followed Semjaza's descent to earth, under the leadership of twenty captains and divided accordingly. Among the Watchers was Azazel, one of the leaders. Each angel took wives for himself - mating with them and siring children that grew and became giants.
The children grew as tall as three thousands ells. These giants were also called Nephilim. They were given other names - the Rephaim, the Anakim, Zuzim, and Emim
The above green text is snipped from: Dark Mirrors of Heaven - Enoch & the Watchers

When God sent the flood to destroy life, the nephilim died = But because they were not fully human, their spirit could not be treated the same. So the Lord allowed their spirit to remain on the earth. I believe the demons who are on earth today are made up of the nephilim spirits. If you read Genesis account of what these giants were like, you will see that they were vile, blood thirsty, nasty, gluttons (they ate everything including each other), violent, etc..... Sounds just like a demon to me. They want to have bodies again so they can "act out" by being vile, having sex, cause eating disorders, alcoholism, and every other nasty thing they influence humans to do either externally or internally.

And so we come back around to the pre-adamic race possibility. The nephilim were not pre-adamic, they coincided with humans and the angels fell after mankind was created...

I still haven't a clue if there are other demonic spirits from other places.. the bible speaks of demons, evil spirits, unclean spirits, etc. I don't know if the 3rd who fell from heaven are the watcher angels or another group.
 
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Men are not made of blood...we are made of dirt/earth/clay. So, all nations are of blood which has nothing in any way to do with all folks coming from one man.

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Hi YST..
Can you elaborate on this a bit for me? Just curious as what scripture you stand upon to say this..
 
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The Book of Enoch is one that is interesting for sure. It's also one that never made it to the Bible. So, I don't know that I put stock in it..However..I do believe there were Nephilim. Goliath was said to have been one. It's really quite fascinating.
 
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Where was Goliath stated in the bible to be a Nephilim?
 
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Hi YST..
Can you elaborate on this a bit for me? Just curious as what scripture you stand upon to say this..


I'm happy to....

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
The flesh of man is formed of the dust.
The spirit of man is breathed by God and gives life to our soul.
The life of our flesh is found "in the blood," and we must crucify our flesh (figuratively)...to be spiritually alive. As Christ gave His blood for us...we give ours, the life of our flesh, for the atonement of our souls.


The dust, dry earth...without life giving water, is given to the serpent/satan and he does as he will with us.
Genesis 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

We are all dust and of the world as the serpent deceives us until...the living water is received. Then He is able to mold us...clay to the potter. Dust and water, clay in His hands.
Job 10:9 Remember, I beseech thee, that Thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?

Jeremiah 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in Mine hand, O house of Israel.
When we are His we are clay...no longer dust that the serpent controls.
 
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It's safe to put some stock in the book of ENOCH because it's mentioned in the bible..
In Jude 1:14 we read, "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints" (kjv)
The above is a quote from the book of ENOCH itself, not from some other place in the bible. If the bible is quoting the book of Enoch, then it's trustworthy. The above quote from the book of Enoch is found in Enoch I 1:9
"And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgment upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him"

Fragments of the book of Enoch written in Aramaic were discovered in Qumran Cave 4, showing that it was among the other copies of scripture hidden away there.

There are tons of similarities as well.. the historical book of Enoch, which New Testament Jews had in their homes was well known & trusted in NT times.

Genesis 6:1-5
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Enoch I chapter 6-10:4
And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: ‘Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.’ And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: ‘I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.’ And they all answered him and said: ‘Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.’ Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.

Enoch Chapter 7
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
 
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Look deeper. Yes, Adam knew his wife. Yes, she conceived but she didn't conceive Cain. He was already conceived when God said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception." She "bare Cain" and again bare when she continued in labor...she had twins, born of different fathers.

That conception is why there can be enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman (women don't have seed...this speaks of Jesus). That is why the parable of the tares tells the tale of the enemy sowing seed among the wheat. God tells us who that wicked one was and that tares are the children of the wicked one.

When was the first tare sown? When did it all begin? Why was Cain a murderer?


Another problem is the scripture in which Eve convinces Adam to also eat of the fruit......... So if the serpent seed theory were accurate, then Adam also had sex with satan ... .... I don't see it and Holy Spirit doesn't bear witness to it for me
The tree/Satan wasn't offering apples. If Eve was "beguiled - wholly seduced" why not Adam who was with her? How long has homosexuality been possible? I would say...forever.
 
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I don't put stock into the book of Enoch because it is one of the pseudepigraphal works that encompass that whole generation. Even though Enoch is in Genesis, it is even questioned that the Enoch that wrote the book is even this Enoch who "walked with God." (Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5) It is also written in the Ethiopian language. Jude quotes from the book of Enoch as well in verses 14-15. However, it doesn't mean that because of these two instances that it is indeed inspired and written by God through the writers. Many biblical scholars do not even believe it was written by the Enoch of the Bible. This belongs with other Apocryphal writings, such as Susannah and the Letter of Jeremiah. Some of what the Apocrypha states is true, however, some is also historically inaccurate. We know the Bible to be the true and infallible Word of God. Therefore trusting it and putting "stock" in it.
 
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Right, I knew that .. I was wondering about this one thing though..
Adam was formed from the dust of the earth. God did not make any more humans from the dust of the earth. Every man thereafter came from Adam's seed.
 
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Where is this in scripture (bold)?
 
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If we were to look to biblical scholars instead of the Holy Spirit, we won't believe half the bible either, LOL. That's why I ask Holy Spirit for His input and not man's input. Scholars mean nothing to me and people ought not to rely on them so much. There are tons of 'scholars' who disagree with one another - Search long enough and you'll find one to agree with any theory.
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him - 1 John 2;27
That said, I respect that you've chosen a position, but I disagree.
 
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I held much the same opinion about things as well, until I attended bible college and got a degree. I'm not saying that makes me a bit smarter than the next person, however, what it taught me was the correct way to exegete a scripture(s) and really dig for those answers. God also said that His people were destroyed for their lack of knowledge.

I never take a person's opinion , as you are smart not to either. I search things out for myself and through prayer with God, and the guidance of His Holy Spirit. What I find, if opportunity presents, then I present what I have found. It is up to each person to choose what they will believe about it. I have doubts about the Book of Enoch because of the reasons I stated. It still is a fascinating book though
God bless
 
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