Was the resurrection a supernatural event?

[Davian]

Christians believe it actually happened as accounted in scripture.

That's nice. However, this is not the Exploring Christianity forum.

I think you used the wrong word there.

I was referring to Occam's razor. “Entities are not to be multiplied beyond necessity”, and all that.

 

[Ana the Ist]

They never "listened" to a heartbeat?

I'm sure they did brin...but any EMT can tell you there's probably hundreds of conditions that can lead to a relatively undetectable heartbeat. Just because you can't hear/feel it doesn't mean it's not there.

Besides, I think you also need to consider the people attending the death. Is it a shock to them? Did they come to the person who fell dead out of the blue? Or did they come to a person who has been dying of something for several days/hours?
'm sure they did brin...but any EMT can tell you there's probably hundreds of conditions that can lead to a relatively undetectable heartbeat. Just because you can't hear/feel it doesn't mean it's not there

 

[brinny]

I'm sure they did brin...but any EMT can tell you there's probably hundreds of conditions that can lead to a relatively undetectable heartbeat. Just because you can't hear/feel it doesn't mean it's not there.

Besides, I think you also need to consider the people attending the death. Is it a shock to them? Did they come to the person who fell dead out of the blue? Or did they come to a person who has been dying of something for several days/hours?
'm sure they did brin...but any EMT can tell you there's probably hundreds of conditions that can lead to a relatively undetectable heartbeat. Just because you can't hear/feel it doesn't mean it's not there

That's kinda scary.....

 

[zippy2006]

Try to look at my post in the context of a response to the post I replied to.

Only reason I brought it up was I remember reading about coffins with bells and strings so that people buried alive (because they were believed dead) could notify someone.

I did read the post you replied to. The poster was responding to the question of whether an instance of resurrection from the dead is a supernatural event. As they pointed out, it is. You are derailing the thread by inferring that "Maybe the resurrection never happened, maybe he was never dead." That has nothing to do with the OP, which is specifically about resurrection and whether resurrection could be accomplished naturally. (In other words we have another atheist dragging a sincere inquiry into General Apologetics, which is not allowed on CF.)

 

[Ana the Ist]

I did read the post you replied to. The poster was responding to the question of whether an instance of resurrection from the dead is a supernatural event. As they pointed out, it is. You are derailing the thread by inferring that "Maybe the resurrection never happened, maybe he was never dead." That has nothing to do with the OP, which is specifically about resurrection and whether resurrection could be accomplished naturally.

It's possible I misunderstood the OP...but then it would be kind of a dumb OP, wouldn't it? I thought he wanted to know if it were possible to "appear" resurrected naturally...

Otherwise this whole thread is basically begging the question.

 

[zippy2006]

It's possible I misunderstood the OP...but then it would be kind of a dumb OP, wouldn't it? I thought he wanted to know if it were possible to "appear" resurrected naturally...

Here's is what they said, the second sentence is particularly informative regarding your question:

Do you guys think that the resurrection and ascension to heaven was a supernatural event (ie does it defy natural laws)? Or, could god have caused the resurrection (and ascension to heaven) to happen via natural laws?...

What would it mean for someone to naturally resurrect (either by the power of God or some other means)? The jury is out on that one, but the OP seems clear enough.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Here's is what they said, the second sentence is particularly informative regarding your question:



What would it mean for someone to naturally resurrect (either by the power of God or some other means)? The jury is out on that one, but the OP seems clear enough.

You know what? I'll withdraw...I didn't realize that was the question being asked, honestly.

If I knew this thread was the equivalent of asking if there was a "natural way" for Tom Thumb to walk seven leagues in one step or if there was a "natural way" for the Pied Piper to make off with all the children of Hamlin...I wouldn't have posted to begin.

You can continue this "serious inquiry" without me.

 

[Jobar]

"could god have caused the resurrection (and ascension to heaven) to happen via natural laws?..."

Would a god limited to natural laws still be a god?

 

[Davian]

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What would it mean for someone to naturally resurrect (either by the power of God or some other means)? The jury is out on that one, but the OP seems clear enough.

In the context of the forum within which this thread was started, I do not see how "fakery" cannot be an option as one of your "some other means". Has not that explanation gotten some serious milage when applied to a myriad of other "supernatural" claims the world has seen?

 

[Lazy_Proverb]

That's nice. However, this is not the Exploring Christianity forum.

It doesn't need to be for my answer to be relevant to the OP.

I was referring to Occam's razor. “Entities are not to be multiplied beyond necessity”, and all that.

Understood. However, it was still a word that wasn't correct and especially in that regard.

 

[Lazy_Proverb]

Are we talking a full three days or just a couple nights?

To keep on topic, the full three days.

 

[Lazy_Proverb]

That's HORRIBLE....Sounds like a horror movie LOL!

It was. Its title, The Serpent and the Rainbow.

 

[brinny]

It was. Its title, The Serpent and the Rainbow.

i think i saw that horrible movie...i vaguely remember it... i just remember that it was seriously disturbing

 

[Ana the Ist]

To keep on topic, the full three days.

Well if the topic is the resurrection of Jesus we're talking about something closer to a day and a half to a day and three quarters...

Probably not unreasonable.

 

[Davian]

It doesn't need to be for my answer to be relevant to the OP.

It does for mine.

Understood. However, it was still a word that wasn't correct and especially in that regard.

How so?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

That demon idea....google help... ah!

Maxwells demon. That was probably responsible. *chukles*
The process of decay was reversed by a demon opening and closing microscopic doors inside Jesus (pboh) body.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon


Meanwhile, somewhere in the 5th dimension:

Ah so thats what causes thunder and lightning!

 

[Holoman]

Of course it was supernatural, I think you will be hard pressed to find any theologian that doesn't think it was. And the discussions here about him not being actually dead are absolutely laughable. He was crucified and had a spear shoved through his side. That is not something you recover from in 3 days enough to walk around right as rain, even if you don't die.

I agree with much of what John Lennox says about miracles, in that they do not violate the natural law, they are simply divine intervention. For example if I put $20 in a drawer today, and add another $20 tomorrow, and the day after I find only $30 in the drawer, have the laws of mathematics been broken? Of course not, another agent has taken out $10!

 

[Lazy_Proverb]

It does for mine.

The OP question deals with an event that is exclusively addressing that which pertains to Jesus. The Lord of the Christians faith. It is relevant then to speak in such terms as those which further the discussion about the event.

How so?

You said:There are more parsimonious explanations.
parsimonious -Adjective 1.characterized by or showing parsimony; frugal or stingy.
Parsimony-noun 1.extreme or excessive economy or frugality; stinginess; niggardliness.

i think i saw that horrible movie...i vaguely remember it... i just remember that it was seriously disturbing

Allegedly a fictional story surrounding the real life substance known as zombie powder. A paralyzing substance Tetrodotoxin. The primary ingredient derived from puffer fish. Which is why Sushi restaurants that serve puffer fish have to have their chefs certified so as to prove they know how to harvest the fish safely.
The movie wasn't without its critics in matters of the zombie powder ingredients. I remember it as not so bad as a horror film.
Imagine being buried alive fully conscious but unable to move. Gads!

Well if the topic is the resurrection of Jesus we're talking about something closer to a day and a half to a day and three quarters.

Probably not unreasonable.

If we're talking about Jesus, which one may infer from the OP, we're talking three days.

 

[brinny]

The OP question deals with an event that is exclusively addressing that which pertains to Jesus. The Lord of the Christians faith. It is relevant then to speak in such terms as those which further the discussion about the event.

You said:There are more parsimonious explanations.
parsimonious -Adjective 1.characterized by or showing parsimony; frugal or stingy.
Parsimony-noun 1.extreme or excessive economy or frugality; stinginess; niggardliness.



Allegedly a fictional story surrounding the real life substance known as zombie powder. A paralyzing substance Tetrodotoxin. The primary ingredient derived from puffer fish. Which is why Sushi restaurants that serve puffer fish have to have their chefs certified so as to prove they know how to harvest the fish safely.
The movie wasn't without its critics in matters of the zombie powder ingredients. I remember it as not so bad as a horror film.
Imagine being buried alive fully conscious but unable to move. Gads!



If we're talking about Jesus, which one may infer from the OP, we're talking three days.

Terrifying. (i only remember bits n' pieces of the movie...mostly i remember i never wanted to see it again LOL!)

 

[Lazy_Proverb]

Terrifying. (i only remember bits n' pieces of the movie...mostly i remember i never wanted to see it again LOL!)

Understandable. I just remember I never wanted to visit Haiti.