Was the Jubilee Year an Ancient Calendar Formula?

[Mockingbird0]

Note the word "always". You assented to my statement that the first day of your calendar's year always begins in March. That means that this year it will begin in march. Next year it will begin in March. For the next 25 years it will begin in March every single year, and so on. Do you withdraw your assent to the word "always"?

I saw you put always and yes I am sticking that.

What is the day in this year's Gregorian calendar that contains the hours of daylight contained by the first day of your calendar's year? What will it be next year? Can you post a table showing, for every one of the next 20 years, on what Gregorian calendar date your calendar's year begins?

 

[Gideon]

...This gives an average synodic lunar month of 29.5297 days, which falls short of today's value, and falls even further short of 1st millennium BC values.

What average value would you expect/prefer to see in my example?

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

What is the day in this year's Gregorian calendar that contains the hours of daylight contained by the first day of your calendar's year? What will it be next year? Can you post a table showing, for every one of the next 20 years, on what Gregorian calendar date your calendar's year begins?

Sure I can gladly do that. Note that the next equinox on the Gregorian Calendar would be on Tuesday March 21st, 2017. You can observe this under the Year 1 Calendar/2016-2017.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Not really. The table in section F shows a system that approximates 606 synodic lunar months with 17895 days exactly. This gives an average synodic lunar month of 29.5297 days, which falls short of today's value, and falls even further short of 1st millennium BC values. It is still not clear to me how your system can make up the shortfall without violating one of its day-count constraints.

I like your style and vibe brother: no messing around. Keep it up.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

What is the day in this year's Gregorian calendar that contains the hours of daylight contained by the first day of your calendar's year? What will it be next year? Can you post a table showing, for every one of the next 20 years, on what Gregorian calendar date your calendar's year begins?

I think it would be more helpful if you downloaded the Course of the Heavenly Luminaries file as it indicates the length of day/night hours each month. Since 1 Enoch does not layout in detail how many hours, minutes, and seconds there are of day/night each day we may conclude that since he tells us that the equinox begins on the 31st Day of the 6th and 12th Months-- i.e. those days are 12 Hours exactly--that the days before them have varying lengths of ~11-12 Hours once you reckon the odd minutes and seconds.

 

[Mockingbird0]

The table in section F shows a system that approximates 606 synodic lunar months with 17895 days exactly. This gives an average synodic lunar month of 29.5297 days, which falls short of today's value, and falls even further short of 1st millennium BC values. It is still not clear to me how your system can make up the shortfall without violating one of its day-count constraints.

The article needs to be clearer about the system's rules. As I noted above, section F shows a jubilee of 17895 days. Nothing in the table or text allows for a jubilee to have any other number of days. Yet the table in section H suggests that possibly half of the jubilees have more days than this:

Sunset 29 March -904 to sunset 27 March -855: 17895 days.
Sunset 27 March -855 to sunset 26 March -806: 17896 days.
Sunset 26 March -806 to sunset 24 March -757: 17895 days.
Sunset 24 March -757 to sunset 22 March -708: 17896 days.
Sunset 22 March -708 to sunset 20 March -659: 17895 days.
Sunset 20 March -659 to sunset 20 March -610: 17897 days.
Sunset 20 March -610 to sunset 18 March -561: 17895 days.

If the 17718-day count is to be maintained, the extra days must always fall in the last 6 months of the jubilee. In the 17897-day jubilee this gives the unusual, though not impossible, situation of 6 consecutive lunar months only one of which has 29 days, the rest having 30. Apparently the last 1290-day count is not a strict rule, and this period can sometimes have 1291 or 1292 days. This makes up the lunar shortfall I mentioned earlier, but the article gives no rule for when these extra days should be added. Nor does it give a clear rule for when insertions of intercalary months will occur, merely stating somewhat vaguely that they will not always be in the order shown in section G.

The point of having a fixed lunar cycle rather than an empirical lunar calendar is to be able to know at the beginning of every year exactly how many months will be in the year, and exactly how many days will be in each month. There is no point in maintaining large day-counts over many years if the effort does not provide this convenience. But this means that the rules for intercalations and month-lengths need to be clear and well-known, so that computations can be done well in advance of the event.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

The article needs to be clearer about the system's rules. As I noted above, section F shows a jubilee of 17895 days. Nothing in the table or text allows for a jubilee to have any other number of days. Yet the table in section H suggests that possibly half of the jubilees have more days than this:

Sunset 29 March -904 to sunset 27 March -855: 17895 days.
Sunset 27 March -855 to sunset 26 March -806: 17896 days.
Sunset 26 March -806 to sunset 24 March -757: 17895 days.
Sunset 24 March -757 to sunset 22 March -708: 17896 days.
Sunset 22 March -708 to sunset 20 March -659: 17895 days.
Sunset 20 March -659 to sunset 20 March -610: 17897 days.
Sunset 20 March -610 to sunset 18 March -561: 17895 days.

If the 17718-day count is to be maintained, the extra days must always fall in the last 6 months of the jubilee. In the 17897-day jubilee this gives the unusual, though not impossible, situation of 6 consecutive lunar months only one of which has 29 days, the rest having 30. Apparently the last 1290-day count is not a strict rule, and this period can sometimes have 1291 or 1292 days. This makes up the lunar shortfall I mentioned earlier, but the article gives no rule for when these extra days should be added. Nor does it give a clear rule for when insertions of intercalary months will occur, merely stating somewhat vaguely that they will not always be in the order shown in section G.

The point of having a fixed lunar cycle rather than an empirical lunar calendar is to be able to know at the beginning of every year exactly how many months will be in the year, and exactly how many days will be in each month. There is no point in maintaining large day-counts over many years if the effort does not provide this convenience. But this means that the rules for intercalations and month-lengths need to be clear and well-known, so that computations can be done well in advance of the event.

Quick question? What's stopping you from getting off your own behind to further the things that I or Gideon have shared with you in order for you to see for yourself and prove to yourself that you understand what is being said?

 

[Mockingbird0]

The table in section F shows a system that approximates 606 synodic lunar months with 17895 days exactly. This gives an average synodic lunar month of 29.5297 days, which falls short of today's value, and falls even further short of 1st millennium BC values. It is still not clear to me how your system can make up the shortfall without violating one of its day-count constraints.

What average value would you expect/prefer to see in my example?

My post #66 above addresses this question indirectly.